Re: (TFT) First attacks in HTH

[Christopher Fuhrman <fuhrman8or@yahoo.com>]

Lloyd,

I see Peter's explanation as the following:

HTH initiation takes place during movement (including engaged shift),
even though it gets listed in some rules (AM, Fantasy Masters'
Screen) as an action.

HTH initiator does *not* get to attack in same turn, as his HTH "move
into" also counts as an action.

If the attempt to enter HTH succeeds (die roll = 1,2,3,4), the HTH
defender *always* gets at least a free HTH attack (during his adjDX
turn) in that same round, either with his bare hands (die roll = 1,2)
or with a drawn dagger (3,4). This is because HTH initiates during
movement, so he would not have acted yet this turn.

--- Lloyd Weber <laweber3@yahoo.com> wrote:

> This sounds very reasonable to me. So, shifting into HTH is an
> attack that occurs in adjDX order; e.g. the attacker does not get
> to also strike in the same turn. But if the defender has not done
> an action yet he would be able to strike in HTH that turn? Or do I
> have it wrong about attempting HTH being an attack...? Since it is
> also supposed to be possible to move into HTH (given higher MA,
> back to wall, etc...) then I guess both figures would get to strike
> in HTH that turn.
>    
>   Lloyd
> 
> Peter von Kleinsmid <pvk@oz.net> wrote:
>   If the defender get the chance (by HTH initiation result die
> roll) to draw 
> a knife as close combat begins, that's a free action that doesn't
> use his 
> action for the turn. Seems reasonable to me - he manages to ready
> it while 
> he is being knocked down or grappled by the attacker. If he hasn't
> acted 
> yet on that turn, when his action comes up on DX order that same
> turn, he 
> can attack in HTH.
> 
> It's not important or unrealistic to look at it as him being able
> to fall 
> down, draw a dagger, and attack in HTH all in one five-second turn.
> 
> It seems to me that it is important to realize that if you don't
> let him 
> attack in that situation, that you'll be denying him any action
> that turn 
> other than to be victimized by the random result of the HTH
> engagement, and 
> the attacker (having the faster DX, unless they're tied), will get
> the next 
> action. I.e., I think it's more important and consistent to make
> sure that 
> the defender doesn't miss an entire turn just because he has a
> lower DX 
> than his attacker.
> 
> PvK
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