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Re: (TFT) Hell Tank vs Ogre



so basically, some of our ancient ancestors were more sophisticated than others.
I can buy that.  :)

I like both games, but there was definitely something special about Ogre...

-----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Vandine
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 10:19 PM
To: tft@brainiac.com
Subject: Re: (TFT) Hell Tank vs Ogre

I agree with this absolutely.  Had the production values been higher, it
would have done a lot better market-wise.


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From: Rick Smith <rick_ww@lightspeed.ca>
To: tft@brainiac.com

Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2014 2:53 PM
Subject: (TFT) Hell Tank vs Ogr
e


Hi all,
 Hell Tank and HT Destroyer were far more realistic
games than OGRE
and GEV.  In OGRE, we have a move / fire sequence, so
an out of range
attacker can scoot up to a hidden and dug in defender and
shoot first.

 No tactical game can have a move / fire game sequenc
e and be considered
realistic.  (Altho it does not work bad for strateg
ic level games.)

 The thing that makes OGRE GEV is the cyber tanks.
 ONE tank going against
a whole armor division has an instantly recogn
izable appeal.

 Hell tank felt like a much more regular war game, w
ith higher counter
densities, much more difficult for the attacker to do
things, etc.  It does not have
the easy to pick up fun factor of OGRE.


 I actually respected that Metagaming was trying for a more realis
tic game to
replace Ogre and GEV.

 Warm regards, Rick



On 2014-08-07, at 1:49 PM, Jeffrey Vandine wrote:

Helltank and He
lltank Destroye
r were interesting from two different aspects -- the fi
rst being that it pr
ovided a slightly different take on future war fro
m Ogre/GEV, and, in some
ways, was more balanced and realistic.  The
second being that once again
H.T. was doing his best to undermine a S
teve Jackson product.  Had Hellta
nk and HD been better playtested an
d had a little bit more money spent for
improved graphics, they might
have even succeeded.  As it was, while they
were interesting to play,
they lacked some of the excitement of Ogre/GEV.



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From: Peter von Kleinsmid <pvk
@oz.net>

To: tft@brainiac.com
Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2014 11:06 AM


Subject: Re: (TFT) Re: Nostalgia


I tells me that some of
them h
ad different tastes from me. I liked
OGRE, and kind of lik
ed Ice War, bu
t Helltank Destroyer had a little
too much of a fla
vor of what seems to
me like enthusiasm for future
war with the t
hen Eastern Bloc. Growing up
during the Cold War, I
ended up with
an aversion to that fight, as it l
ooked like a likely
way to end
all life on Earth. Interesting to the gam
ing morality
discussion,
I have little problem playing wargames with or
as Nazis
and Sovi
ets (as long as it has nothing to do with death camps o
r
executin
g prisoners).




At 06:23 AM 8/7/2014, gem6868 wrot

e:
and what does it tell us about our primitive gaming ancestors??
 :)


-----Original Message----- From: Peter von Kleinsmid
Sent: Thursday
,
August 07, 2014 3:14 AM To: tft@brainiac.com Su
bject: Re: (TFT) Re: N
ostalgia
I've got a complete Helltank Destr
oyer, almost usused. Just kee
ping
it because it's an artifact.


At 09:34 AM 8/6/2014, gem6868
wrote:
I think I still
have my copy of Helltank I and II in a box

somewhere. Uber-che
ap graphics, but fun game.

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