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Re: [Slope: Ch 18] Lindybeige and slings.



I'd take Lindy Beige with a pinch of salt. Some of the things he's said I know aren't right - he doesn't understand shield walls, for instance. And other things I've heard rubbished by people who I think know more, like skallagrim and Matt Easton (Schola Gladiatoria, knowledgeable but alas verbose and discursive).

— He believes that slings are less accurate than bows.

I think this is probably true, but there's no way Lindy Beige's playing around with slings gives him an idea of the accuracy of e.g. a Balearic professional.

— His ranges are slightly less than what others say.

Better than arrows, for sure.
 
— You do not have to wind up slings for a long time.  Generally, 
you spin them just enough to settle the ammo into the pocket, 
and then fire.

You generally don't wind them up at all. Somebody might swing a piece of ammunition around a few times to check how it felt, if they hadn't used that ammo before, but the standard massed combat slinging manoeuvre is back and forth, not a circle and release. If you spin it around you'll hit the guy next to you, or his sling.

AFAIK the ammo doesn't need to be "settled into the pocket". The slinger puts it in the pocket.

A shepherd on his own trying to hit a wolf, I don't know. Maybe they would do the spin thing.

— Slingers would typically carry several slings.  Different lengths are used for different kinds of shots.

Slings are small and cheap. There's a saying that if you look closely at a slinger's belt, or the strap on a slinger's backpack, it's probably a sling. The spare is used to do something else. On occasion Ngwira has used a couple to hold up her leggings.
 
— It is totally realistic for slingers to look for ammo in rounded 
rocks.

Yes, but less penetrating and probably less damaging than lead. The regular rules on non-iron weapons will probably be sufficient here.

— Slings do blunt trauma, arrows do impaling damage. 

You're saying the arrows have d-m damage and the slings have d+m? Could be.

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David


On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 at 16:33, Rick <rick_ww@lightspeed.ca> wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I came across Lindy Beige who has a YouTube channel.  
He has made slings for many years and has a few videos on 
making & using them.  I watched all of his sling videos and 
compare what he said to my sling rules.

— He believes that slings are less accurate than bows.
— His ranges are slightly less than what others say.
— You do not have to wind up slings for a long time.  Generally, 
you spin them just enough to settle the ammo into the pocket, 
and then fire.
— Slingers would typically carry several slings.  Different lengths 
are used for different kinds of shots.
— It is totally realistic for slingers to look for ammo in rounded 
rocks.
— Slings do blunt trauma, arrows do impaling damage. 


This is in agreement with my rules.

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— He suggests that staff slings do not allow you to throw slings 
faster or farther, but rather that the big change is it allows you to 
fire heavier ammo.
— He says that you CAN use a shield and a sling at once. (Tho 
the rate of fire would suffer.)
— Slings are less affected by cross winds.

This is different from my rules.  In my rules, you can fire 
small bullets farther (tho less accurately), with a staff sling.

However, in my rules, I say that you use different sized 
stones (or bullets), depending on the shot you are taking.  (I 
don’t have you track ammo size.) So I could simply say that 
someone who has a staff sling, would have a mix of ammo 
with larger sized stones.

Re: slings and cross winds.  Too small a difference for me 
to worry about.

Re: slings AND shield.  I am ignoring this.  Covering up 
ears and going "LA-LA-LA-LA.”  (My sling rules are already more 
complex than most GM’s will want to bother with.  I’m not going to 
put in special rules for ’sorta’ one handed weapons.)


So the net result is NO CHANGES to my rules I gave 
previously.

***

Some of his YouTube videos on slings...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivsfp9y9E6g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ3bBkRIJNU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=covH4voKukw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU87f5o8vMg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXiUDJRgiUc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN3mztvclHk&t=10s


***

He has many videos, a large number on RPG stuff, history 
(medieval and WWII), and many other subjects.

A couple of non-sling videos I enjoyed…

// is there a skill to wearing armour?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8a_sHn-vEA

// Napoleon’s Greatest Foe. (Not who you think :-D. )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdM3ID4m38U

// Why are halberds that shape?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsckeyktMS0

// 21 AT guns vs. 100 tanks.  A WWII story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPJRd_XiDGg

Warm regards, Rick.


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