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RE: (TFT) week 2
As as been asked many times, please trim any text you are commenting on
to just the relevant line or two. Some of these comments have grown quite
short yet contain pages and pages of material replied too. On some news group
readers this is not a problem. But many of our subscribers use the ''digest''
format, and it becomes a burden to see the same paragraph quoted over and over
and over. On top of that sifting through it all to find the one new comment
approaches impossible in longer discussions.
This one time I reply to an untrimmed post, but I feel an example would be
illustrative. The post below is a classic example. It is a cascade of four
posts that quote the previous one. I believe if you look we can see where the
poster has actually quoted themselves once as well.
David Michael Grouchy II
> From: ray.rangel@cox.net
> To: tft@brainiac.com
> Subject: RE: (TFT) week 2
> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 23:57:05 -0500
>
> One of the things I noticed about D&D is that it is such a hassle to gen up
> new characters nobody gets killed. Who is going to stop a game for half an
> hour while the unlucky player is rolling up a new char. To put things in
> perspective, the D&D character sheet is two pages of blanks that are so
> tightly packed no human can write in them. Even with that dense sheet, a
> player must have a notepad handy for all the info that won't fit. On the
> other hand, my TFT characters are on 3x5 index cards. I think that speaks
> volumes.
>
> I think I want to toss TFT out for my gaming group too. Fortunately, they
> like to try different things. They play D&D, Hero, and WoD sp they might
> think that TFT is too simple. On the other-hand, killing off a PC would get
> their attention. Perhaps you can relate your attempt to us so that I don't
> commit the same errors.
>
>
> Ray Rangel
> ray.rangel@cox.net
> http://xraysvision.blogspot.com/
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tft-admin@brainiac.com [mailto:tft-admin@brainiac.com] On Behalf
> > Of Todd Roseberry
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:11 PM
> > To: tft@brainiac.com
> > Subject: Re: (TFT) week 2
> >
> > Ray,
> >
> > I was "converted" from D&D to TFT about 25 years ago or so. I had been
> > out
> > of gaming for years but got back into when a group of friends invited
> > me to
> > play D&D. I was stunned by the complexity. I always enjoyed playing
> > wizards
> > in TFT but found that running a D&D wizard gave me a headache. I'm not
> > trying to bash D&D but it's the way it hit me. Love TFT wizards; hate
> > D&D
> > wizards.
> >
> > I always loved playing a wizard because my GM usually ran a game with
> > only a
> > couple of players. This allowed things to get "personal". When my
> > wizard
> > went up against the bad guy wizard, it was a real fight between GM and
> > me.
> > It was great fun. It was always a challenge to judge just when to
> > commit
> > your last bit of ST in wizard combat.
> >
> > I tried introducing my friends to TFT but it went over like lead
> > balloon.
> > Part of it was my fault in not preparing them properly for it. I might
> > try
> > it again.
> >
> > Because of the way that we played TFT, we never got real fond of our
> > characters. Characters didn't die every time we played but death was
> > expected to some degree due to the nature of the adventures and the
> > uncertainty of TFT combat. A character would get whacked and it would
> > take a
> > few minutes to draw up another one and work him into the story. In the
> > D&D
> > group, the guys were much more invested in their characters. The
> > characters
> > were very well developed in stats, abilities, etc... So much work is
> > put
> > into their characters, I can see why there is an emotional investment.
> > I'd
> > certainly rather lose a TFT character to a D&D character.
> >
> > Oh well, just my .02.
> >
> > Aidan
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ray Rangel" ray.rangel@cox.net
> > To: tft@brainiac.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 7:56 PM
> > Subject: RE: (TFT) week 2
> >
> >
> > > Forgive me if I speak out of turn. I'm quite new to TFT but not so
> > new to
> > > RPGs and gaming in general (30+ years). I joined this list to learn
> > from
> > > others about the TFT system.
> > >
> > > Let me share with you the reason that I chose to pursue TFT. I have
> > been
> > > playing a lot of D&D over the past few years and more recently, WFRP.
> > What
> > > I've found is that I really have come to appreciate simple game
> > systems
> > > that
> > > do not require calculators, computers, Mentats, and piles and piles
> > of
> > > rule
> > > books to play. The character sheet that I use for TFT fits on a 3x5
> > card.
> > > I
> > > want to play a game, not the rules. I have become committed to this
> > > concept.
> > > So much so that a few weeks ago I invited some gaming friends over
> > and
> > > gave
> > > them all of my D&D 3.5 collection. It was a stack of books that was
> > about
> > > four and half foot tall. By way of comparison Advanced Melee,
> > Advanced
> > > Wizard, and In the Labyrinth isn't even an inch.
> > >
> > > You can, I think, understand my concern when people start talking
> > about
> > > rules for joules. Did I leap from the frying pan into the fire? I
> > came
> > > into
> > > the TFT fold to escape the RFES (Rule For Everything Syndrome) that
> > > plagues
> > > other systems. I'm seeking sublime simplicity. Who cares how far a
> > > Claymore
> > > can penetrate ballistic gel.my Conan like character slices and dices
> > > without
> > > regard for the unscientific (albeit, highly entertaining) antics of
> > TV
> > > personalities on Mythbusters.
> > >
> > > When I GM and an event isn't covered by the rules occurs, I'll make
> > it up
> > > as
> > > I go along. I don't really need to know how many joules are
> > represented by
> > > one ST. All I need is general idea, or feel, for what's reasonable in
> > > order
> > > to make a judgment which is consistent with the heroic PCs, NPCs,
> > monsters
> > > and the game as a whole. As a player, that's what I expect the GM to
> > do.
> > > After all, how "real" can a game be that includes dragons, goblins,
> > and
> > > elves?
> > >
> > > So now we come to the meandering thoughts of Jay. Jay, I mean no
> > offense,
> > > but I just don't understand the value of much of what you have
> > posted.
> > > Cutting through the "stream of consciousness".err.style of your posts
> > and
> > > looking at the "data" that you present, it means little to me as an
> > RPG GM
> > > or player. After reading through the various books and adventures, I
> > have
> > > to
> > > say that there is little attempt to be true to real world physics.
> > There
> > > is
> > > approximation, not precision, and then only to the extent required to
> > > allow
> > > a fantasy game player to suspend disbelief.
> > >
> > > The bottom line is that I'm afraid I have to agree with Rick.
> > Furthermore,
> > > your statement that you use the list as an on-line notepad
> > demonstrates a
> > > disregard for others. My impression was that the purpose of this list
> > is
> > > to
> > > share and communicate with others about TFT, not that it is to be
> > used as
> > > a
> > > personal scratch pad.
> > >
> > > I'm certain that you have valuable contributions to make. Please
> > organize
> > > your thoughts and ideas before posting them. Not doing so and making
> > > everyone else do it for you, is inconsiderate in the extreme and
> > doesn't
> > > communicate them well, if at all, to other readers. Please stop
> > telling us
> > > that you aren't a writer. The moment you hit the "Send" button, you
> > are a
> > > writer regardless of your disclaimer. You cannot claim no
> > responsibility
> > > to
> > > readers while you writing a message which you fully expect others to
> > read.
> > >
> > > So, all that being said, would someone like to carry on a
> > conversation
> > > about
> > > TFT? I'm curious to see what characters others have played, what
> > their
> > > starting characteristics were and why. I'd like some of the
> > experienced
> > > players to share nuggets of wisdom about playing solos adventures.
> > How
> > > 'bout, since I'm new to the game, where the pitfalls and gaps are in
> > the
> > > rules. Does anyone have a home brewed adventure or campaign they
> > would
> > > like
> > > to share?
> > >
> > > Ray Rangel
> > > ray.rangel@cox.net
> > > http://xraysvision.blogspot.com/
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: tft-admin@brainiac.com [mailto:tft-admin@brainiac.com] On
> > Behalf
> > >> Of Jay Carlisle
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:30 PM
> > >> To: tft@brainiac.com
> > >> Subject: (TFT) week 2
> > >>
> > >> Progress report
> > >> (note Today is 9th making this report 1 day late)
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > Schedule for week 1, Jan '08
> > >> >
> > >> > Scan Images from "Places of Worship, 150 years of Latter-day Saint
> > >> > architecture".
> > >>
> > >> This did not get accomplished.
> > >> In my defence, I had more trouble finding an Image converter than I
> > >> anticipated so I purchased another cheep scanner (3 in 1 that won't
> > >> print, Lexmark) and low and behold! It'll do decent OCR so Wizard is
> > >> now scaned. This is a significant bonus as I figured to be typeing
> > on
> > >> this for ?, weeks?
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > Brush up at least one chart, table, etc. in Plain Text TFT.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> I did the Job Table
> > >> Also the above work on Wizard.
> > >>
> > >> > Edit at least one Wiki page.
> > >>
> > >> Well...., yes.
> > >> I did tidy up some of my thoughts on IQ but,...
> > >> I need to do a little better this week.
> > >>
> > >> > Prepare presentation post "Laborer".
> > >>
> > >> Well it appears I'm a slick little so and so.
> > >> I HAVE prepared Labor.
> > >> I'm on my THIRD preperation now.
> > >> LOL
> > >> After reading some of the feedback, I went back and took a long look
> > at
> > >> what I'd written and decided that explaining ME in essay form is no
> > >> better than explaining ME of the top of my head.
> > >> So I'm pulling my campagne as an example and trying for a focus on
> > >> principals w/o long, rambeling discriptions.
> > >> Again, I'm not a writer so this is difacult and frustrating for me.
> > >> Sorry if/when I go a bit cookoo.
> > >>
> > >> > Prepare speculative post "Intelligence".
> > >>
> > >> Oh bloody yes.
> > >> I got THAT done.
> > >> I recieved an english lesson in return instead of much thought on
> > IQ,
> > >> but any feedback offered honestly deserves to be answered with
> > honest
> > >> consideration.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > Start pulling together a Bibliography of reference material.
> > >>
> > >> This suprises me.
> > >> I'd forgotten this one.
> > >> Yet it seems I didn't because I've actually gotten quite a bit done
> > on
> > >> this.
> > >> I've even pulled a page on a couple of styles of reference.
> > >> I think I'll write it up in Esperanto...
> > >>
> > >> > Look again, for the umpteenth time, at how to structure this
> > >> material.
> > >> > Is there a clearer method to present this material?
> > >>
> > >> Rewrites!
> > >> Aparently I was AFRAID of this!
> > >>
> > >> Okay so Week 1 in review?
> > >> Eehhh
> > >> At least it's something.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Schedule for week 2, Jan '08
> > >>
> > >> Scan Images from "Places of Worship, 150 years of Latter-day Saint
> > >> architecture".
> > >> Buildings are coming up fast, I'd like to have Images available.
> > >>
> > >> Edit at least one Wiki page.
> > >>
> > >> Check feedback and prepare a speculative post in response.
> > >>
> > >> Post Labour.
> > >>
> > >> Prepare presentation post on Cities.
> > >>
> > >> In PlainText tidy up the Spell List.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
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