Re: (TFT) TFT and the SCA in your front yard

[mejobo@comcast.net]

Sure its a lifetime in combat, but thats just words. When you try to quantify distances for movement, and what can be done in five minutes, TFT is pretty close. 


You are right about the being able to move between people thing, I hadn't thought of that. Maybe a sort of "zone of control' is implied, but that is a pretty big difference. 


Saying that according to Fiore HTH is when you are within reaching range may be true in Fiore, but in Melee that would include being one hex away. Same term, different meanings, is the way i view it. In TFT it says HTH is when you fall to the ground with a foe and wrestle them. Punching and slashing with swords is covered by normal combat. I agree that the names are kinda misnomers (HTH implies most kinds of fighting that aren't ranged, in my opinion), but its the rules, not the names, that matter. 


Yea, HTH doesn't make that much sense to me either. I suppose the logic behind it was that the very short range meant you couldn't actually poke the other guy very well with a sword (or have the area to swing an axe) and that, in effect, you might as well just punch and use a small dagger. I do like that its kinda hard to get into HTH, though.... I think that covers the "trying not to fall over" aspect, and then, once you ARE knocked down, things more or less work. 


Overall, I think we can all agree that TFT is pretty fun and at least tactically interesting (and hopefully realistic enough for those of us who care), or else we wouldn't be on this group! =D 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: raito@raito.com 
To: tft@brainiac.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:55:29 PM 
Subject: Re: (TFT) TFT and the SCA in your front yard 

Quoting mejobo@comcast.net: 
> 5 seconds is pretty well represented in TFT... its a long time, but 
> so it is in 
> TFT. 

It's a lifetime in combat. 

> A 4 foot hex being too big... by what standards? Surely not by range or 
> movement... if anything, they are too small for range. 

Too big for a single person. If you space people 4 feet apart, it's 
quite easy to move between them, something TFT does not allow. 

> HTH is clearly what you mean.... Sure, someone can kinda "step into" 
> your hex, 
> but thats not HTH. Its all about imagination.... in TFT you stand in two 
> separate hexes, but within that combat there is lots of stepping and 
> thrusting, 
> which, of course, blurs the hex positions of a figure. HTH is when a figure 
> jumps onto another, knocking him over, and starts struggling on the ground. 

I disagree. HTH, according to Fiore, is whenever you are close enough 
to your opponent to touch them with your hand. 

> If you don't fall to the ground, by my reasoning, then its not HTH, its still 
> covered by normal combat. Once you do fall to the ground, whether or 
> not you are 
> holding your weapon is somewhat irrelevant- the combat is no longer thrusting 
> and slashing, its grabbing and wrestling. The type of combat is different. 

Au contraire, according to the period manuals. Then again, they always 
avoided falling to the ground. And to the medievals, it's always about 
thrusting and slashing, unless it's about grabbing and breaking, which 
is almost more easily done with a weapon in hand. 

> Obviously, TFT is abstracted.... the above things aren't totally 
> realistic, they 
> are just close enough. But they get the job done and get fairly realistic 
> results.... the Strength as Hitpoints system is a good example. 

I agree. 

Neil Gilmore 
raito@raito.com 
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