Re: (TFT) GURPS combat complexity etc.

[Brett Slocum <brett.slocum@gmail.com>]

The stat problems in GURPS have largely been fixed in 4th Ed. Making
IQ and DX cost more than ST and HT, because they are far more useful,
goes a long way.

A quick and easy way to see 4th Ed. is to download GURPS Lite 4th Ed.:
http://e23.sjgames.com/item.html?id=SJG31-0004

This gives you the essence of the system in 32 pages. Fully functional
game with a variety of advantages, disadvantages, skills, and spells.
I often use Lite to run games at cons.

Now, TFT is still my favorite fantasy game, but GURPS is my favorite
for everything else, except superheroes, which would be Champions.
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Brett Slocum <brett.slocum@gmail.com>



On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Joel BoardgameRpger
<joel.siragher@gmail.com> wrote:
> a bit of this a splash of that.
>
>
>>>Also I have a fractional turn "phase" system (based off Car Wars) that
> I've
> developed.
>
> Dear friend, Hero games has done a nice job of this using speed.
>
> speed is (Dex / 10) +1.
> Average DX is 10 in Herogames so:
> average human is speed 2. supers are speed 3.
> max segments: 12
>
> A speed 2 person goes in 6 and 12.
>
> speed 3 person goes in 3 4 12.
>
> The system is really quite elegant. Ive been thinking about how to expand
> TFT into heroes.
>
> You build powers the the same points that you use to build heroes. Neat.
>
> HEro is now up to 6th edition. They fixed some of the stat problems that
> show up in gurps and TFT.
>
> In hero version 1-5 they based your hit roll on DX /3 and call it an ocv
> (offensive combat value). B attacks are resolved by taking the difference of
> your OCV B and your opponents DCV and adding the dff to 11.
>
> playing TFT under the hero game system would mean we get rid of OCV and
> just use adjusted dex.
>
> In hero games:
> so if my fighters B ocv is 5 and your thieves dcv is 3 then i need to roll a
> 13 or less.
>
> In TFT:
> I can see my dwarv in plate (adjDX 9) trying to hit your orc adj DX 11. I
> would need to hit with a 9-11 + 11 or less to hit. B  9 to hit.
>
> naturally id connect sometimes. and do the damage.
>
> Tiired time for sleep thanks for listening
> Joel
>
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 5:29 AM, Jay Carlisle <maou.tsaou@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 8:09 PM, PvK wrote:
>>
>> > Sure. The merchant may not even want to go traveling with all his
>> > shipments, either. Many GM's handwave (or mindwave, or use some abstract
>> > system (example below), including encounters which don't directly involve
>> > the PC's, anyway.
>> >
>> >
>> Well abstract is okay I guess as I can't really speak to other campaigns
>> but I prefer to try gameable stuff if I can find a simple entertaining
>> model for what I want to introduce.
>>
>>
>>
>> > Example:
>> > GM: "Hmm I rolled that a dragon met the caravan and no PC's are there,
>> > seems like I could just roll one die, and on a 1 or 2, the dragon drives
>> > off the guards and takes whatever it wants from the caravan, on 6, there
>> is
>> > a battle, and on other results, there was a dragon but the guards stood
>> > their ground and the dragon flew off. If there's a battle, I'll roll a
>> die
>> > and on a 1-3, the dragon wins and there are 1d-2 survivors, on a 4-5 the
>> > guards drive off the dragon with 1d-3 casualties, and on a 6 the guards
>> > killed the dragon and lost 1d-3 men."
>> >
>> >
>> Yep, TFT's publisher was the micro-game company after all and I figure if
>> no player Figures are around to hear the combat drop then a simple CRT
>> resolution works well, especially when a basic unit type can be "improved"
>> as a management decision (Alpha Centauri's units did a version of this).
>> Of course the RPG wrinkle in units is that groups of people don't move in
>> coordinated fashion on the map without a Figure with the Leadership Talent
>> in command.
>> So far the players who went for merchant chose to lead their caravans
>> personally.
>> Hiring Leaders is a similar issue to the buying a thoroughbred horse thing
>> I was talking about a couple of weeks ago.
>> Set Populations can answer questions like how many individuals in the
>> region meet the Job requirements but I see no reason to tell the employer
>> who exceeds the minimum requirements by the largest amount or to assure
>> them of the validity of the claims of any applicant really.
>> I'm trying to consider how to fairly deal with player tendency to take the
>> first NPC that fits the bill.
>> Not sure if it's table playable but then again if you don't go nuts then
>> you don't NEED a computer to play Life.
>>
>> I was looking at the Dwarf Fortress forums and came across this little
>> snippit;
>>
>> "I want to share with you a quick note on a bug that I found vaguely
>> disturbing though: First, Ib m sure youb ve learned by now that dwarves
>> donb t
>> like death. It leads to depression and post-traumatic stress disorder. Put
>> simply, if they see enough, they flip out and kill something b B themselves
>> or those around them. However, certain dwarves are sociopaths. They lack
>> the natural emotional empathy and sensitivity of the proper dwarf. They
>> look just like every other dwarf b B they act just like every other dwarfb&
>> yet, like Arnold Schwarzenegger in the Terminator, they are perfect little
>> emotionless machines. They make excellent butchers and fantastic soldiers.
>> I happened to get lucky and had one of these little soulless wonders as my
>> butcher. I have a policy of making newborn puppies and ponies available for
>> adoption and, if ponies are not adopted by the time they grow up, I send
>> them off to be knackered. It just so happens that I sent out my butcher to
>> round up the herd and thin the ranks one day. I saw b Stray Horse (Tame)
>> has
>> been struck down! Stray Horse (Tame) has been struck down! Krazen
>> Ergoblasbit (Tame) has been struck down!b
>>
>> A sinking feeling hit me. The butcher had just grabbed the wrong horse.
>> Heb d somehow found someoneb s pet and killed it. I expected a dwarf to go
>> crazy any minute. When I looked at the corpse, I saw that Krazen was marked
>> as being the pet of the Butcher.
>>
>> I blinked. Heb d never owned a pet before. I checked his thoughts. He was
>> ecstatic. He had been comforted by a pet recently. He had adopted a pet
>> recently. The little bastard befriended and adopted the horse while leading
>> him to the block, improved his mood, killed him and had ZERO sense of
>> remorse, guilt or loss. He just didnb t care. Ib m starting to think about
>> waiting until heb s asleep, removing his door and replacing it with a
>> floodgate just to give the creepy bastard the Cask of Amontillado
>> treatment."
>>
>> It's hard not to grow a bit of a neckbeard reading that.
>> System generates story instead of bending to it.
>> I guess I'm becoming something of an old fuddy duddy these days but it
>> bothers me to have such a strong focus on killing.
>> I'm not saying get rid of combat or even changing it (much, who doesn't
>> have homebrew TFT rules?) but when your talking about a subject like
>> economics that is basically abstract in relation to TFT AM rules it's not a
>> great jump to look at games that are framed around economic principals for
>> something a little bit less abstract and a little more playable for
>> economics.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elite_(video_game)
>> Of course spawning trade goods from a set of tables (mentions Traveler as a
>> major influence and I don't think it was the wireframe graphics they meant)
>> isn't avoiding the fact that the resources required to produce the goods
>> are being spawned but Traveler didn't have access to world-building game
>> map scripts to spit planets out with either.
>> Saying the currency is copper/silver/gold at some exchange rate isn't
>> economics unless you also describe how much copper/silver/gold there is and
>> how it's distributed in the region.
>> You can be abstract in conceiving the economic system but describing it
>> requires some concrete decisions.
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