Re: (TFT) ok im not kidding here... This is 1080 pages of 3 stat game.

[Geof Gibson <geofgibson@mac.com>]

Don't forget the Grandaddy of TSR's games, Chainmail.
That was more tactical as it was really designed for miniatures rather than
extended adventures.

On Mar 7, 2013, at 12:37 AM, Jim Kundert wrote:

> The most well known would be Hero (aka Champions) and 3+ D&D, but the
> semi-tactical combat of Runequest (and all of the rest of the BRP
> family, including Call of Cthulhu) also owes something to TFT. The
> first ed of Runequest even said so in the credits.  Some other more
> obscure games may also be in the tactical RPG family tree, but quite a
> few have gone the way of the Dodo.
>
> Compare those to the Strategics and Narratives, including all of TSR's
> D&D and other games, quite a lot of FGU's stable, White Wolf, Ars
> Magica, and amusingly, Palladium, which has somewhat rigorous movement
> rules but includes so many exceptions and scale blow-outs that combat
> is almost always narrative instead.
>
> The divide also broadly coincides with the Player Ascendent vs GM
> Ascendent phenomenon, though the match is not perfect.
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:26 PM, Joel BoardgameRpger
> <joel.siragher@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jim besides gurps and tft, what other games would you consider strongly
>> tactical.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Brett Slocum <brett.slocum@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>>> Microlite 20 is not based on TFT. Its a very light d20-based system.
>>> On Mar 6, 2013 1:26 PM, "Jim Kundert" <gypsycomet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Which is ironic since TFT is the grand-daddy of the strongly tactical
>>>> RPG combat engines.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Geof Gibson <geofgibson@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>> In my experience with RPGs, and this system appears to be no exception,
>>>>> movement is very abstracted and subject to the whim of the DM/GM as to
>>>> how
>>>>> long it takes to get there.
>>>>> The only aspects of movement with any regulation is in regards to using
>>>> DX to
>>>>> determine initiative.
>>>>> Other than that it is usually common sense.  The DM isn't going to let
>>> a
>>>> human
>>>>> run away from a dragon, even if he's Jesse Owens.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 6, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Joel BoardgameRpger wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Im not sure. It might be in the second volumn which i downloaded
>>>> yesterday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Cris Fuhrman <fuhrmanator@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I couldn't find base rules about movement. Is it totally abstracted?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Joel BoardgameRpger <
>>>>>>> joel.siragher@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ok im not kidding here... This is 1080 pages of 3 stat game.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I downloaded it, read about 130 pages and it looks good.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
http://blog.retroroleplaying.com/2012/02/microlite20-rpg-collection-2012-edit
>>>>> ion.html
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