Re: (TFT) ok im not kidding here... This is 1080 pages of 3 stat game.

[Jim Kundert <gypsycomet@gmail.com>]

Chainmail is not an RPG.  While it sits in the transitional spot from
miniatures wargames to RPGs, its direct descendent (D&D) is not a
tactical game.  TFT is the fence-sitter that directly spawned or
inspired the tactical combat RPGs.  GURPS and Hero share the dice
mechanic (3d6) and armor mechanic, but the structured options within a
turn of TFT, along with movement and facing rules that actually
matter, are what define the Tactical family of RPGs.

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Geof Gibson <geofgibson@mac.com> wrote:
> Don't forget the Grandaddy of TSR's games, Chainmail.
> That was more tactical as it was really designed for miniatures rather than
> extended adventures.
>
> On Mar 7, 2013, at 12:37 AM, Jim Kundert wrote:
>
>> The most well known would be Hero (aka Champions) and 3+ D&D, but the
>> semi-tactical combat of Runequest (and all of the rest of the BRP
>> family, including Call of Cthulhu) also owes something to TFT. The
>> first ed of Runequest even said so in the credits.  Some other more
>> obscure games may also be in the tactical RPG family tree, but quite a
>> few have gone the way of the Dodo.
>>
>> Compare those to the Strategics and Narratives, including all of TSR's
>> D&D and other games, quite a lot of FGU's stable, White Wolf, Ars
>> Magica, and amusingly, Palladium, which has somewhat rigorous movement
>> rules but includes so many exceptions and scale blow-outs that combat
>> is almost always narrative instead.
>>
>> The divide also broadly coincides with the Player Ascendent vs GM
>> Ascendent phenomenon, though the match is not perfect.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:26 PM, Joel BoardgameRpger
>> <joel.siragher@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> jim besides gurps and tft, what other games would you consider strongly
>>> tactical.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Brett Slocum <brett.slocum@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Microlite 20 is not based on TFT. Its a very light d20-based system.
>>>> On Mar 6, 2013 1:26 PM, "Jim Kundert" <gypsycomet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Which is ironic since TFT is the grand-daddy of the strongly tactical
>>>>> RPG combat engines.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Geof Gibson <geofgibson@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>> In my experience with RPGs, and this system appears to be no exception,
>>>>>> movement is very abstracted and subject to the whim of the DM/GM as to
>>>>> how
>>>>>> long it takes to get there.
>>>>>> The only aspects of movement with any regulation is in regards to using
>>>>> DX to
>>>>>> determine initiative.
>>>>>> Other than that it is usually common sense.  The DM isn't going to let
>>>> a
>>>>> human
>>>>>> run away from a dragon, even if he's Jesse Owens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Joel BoardgameRpger wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Im not sure. It might be in the second volumn which i downloaded
>>>>> yesterday.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Cris Fuhrman <fuhrmanator@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I couldn't find base rules about movement. Is it totally abstracted?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Joel BoardgameRpger <
>>>>>>>> joel.siragher@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ok im not kidding here... This is 1080 pages of 3 stat game.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I downloaded it, read about 130 pages and it looks good.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
> http://blog.retroroleplaying.com/2012/02/microlite20-rpg-collection-2012-edit
>>>>>> ion.html
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