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Re: (TFT) Combined Offensive/Defensive Action

Very true where the blade or axe lands on the armour is much more important
than how hard you hit.  A blow that hit a joint (neck, armpit, knee or groin)
was often devastating as where there are many discriptions of men at arms
being surrounded and being pummel by several opponents who managed to walk out

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     Received: 01:24 PM PDT, 08/23/2013
     From: raito@raito.com
     To: tft@brainiac.com
     Subject: Re: (TFT) Combined Offensive/Defensive Action

       > That's a neat, interesting, and relevant story. How tired were you
         > attacking him at 11/10 for fifteen minutes? And how much of a role
         > you say that physical condition has on rate of fatigue? Speaking
         > myself, in my 40's and not in very good condition at the moment, I
         > notice that swishing my full-weight broadsword through the air a
         > times results in fatigue I can feel, though I wouldn't say it
         > performance yet.

         I went on to practice another hour or so. Conditioning is quite a
         but experience is a bigger one. If TFT terms, I rather consider part
         the maintenance of the weapon Talent to be conditioning. It's worthy
         note that I'm over 50, yet I can swing a weapon effectively a lot
         than much younger guys who are in better shape, but have less

         I've handled some real medieval weapons from the Oakeshott
         They're pretty light. Considering that a piece of steel of diamond
         30" long that's 2" X 1/4" at the base and 1" X 1/8" at the other end
         weighs about 1.5 ponds, swords are really a lot lighter than most
         think. Rapiers, on the other hand, seem to weigh more. But they're
         and have more counterweight. I think the total weight of my SCA
swords is
         about 2.5 pounds.

         > And, I wonder what you'd say about your experience with the effect
         > carried weight and armor ventilation have on fatigue rate, or the
         > effect of air temperature or humidity?

         My current kit weighs about 45 lbs. One of the things Rolemaster got
         is that wearing armour is a skill. I can put on my stuff when I get
up and
         leave it on until I go to bed, and have no problems. Those young guys
         worn out just wearing their kit. Armour ventilation and its effect
         fatigue is a bit of a myth as far as I'm concerned. I moved from
         to Austin for 3 years. Oddly enough, their rules down there required
me to
         add armour (rigid forearm armour). They were mostly wearing nothing
         their navels. The heat didn't cause me any trouble. Most armour will
         air through itself as you move. Even when I used to wear padding
under my
         stuff, I never had ventilation problems (I got more protective stuff,
         dropped the padding).

         The helmet is more of a problem than the armour. Humidity can be a
         problem, as damp air holds more heat. But I can still last longer
than a
         lot of guys wearing their ultra-high-tech wicking underwear and

         > Of course, I notice in your story that you are talking about
         > minutes of fighting, and him being tired but not incapacitated.

         True. But also true that I was not injuring him at all.

         Also note that he was trying to strike me, he was just unable to get
         blows off before I got mine in, or stymied his attempt.

         > Which makes me wonder too, if you had fought him with real weapons
         > and armor, how long do you think it would have been before he fell
         > from wounds?

         The armour is real, the weapons are not. Please note that in a lot of
         medieval friendly combat, the point wasn't to injure the other guy,
it was
         to prove you were man enough to risk injury.

         Given the disaprity in experience (particularly as SCA fighting is
         from the only method of combat I've trained with), It would have been
         in a turn or so. Since he was in armour, I wouldn't have bothered
         to strike through his with a single handed sword. There's a growing
         of research that says (gasp) that armour is really pretty good
         against that sort of thing. I'd have grabbed him, thrown him to the
         ground, and shoved my sword through his armpit.

         There's many accounts, both Eurpoean and Oriental, where bashing on
         guy's armour just tired him out until he's tired enough for the other
         to overpower him.

         If you want to read up on wounds and such, get a hold of the book on
         Wisby. Lots of forensic stuff in there. And if you want to read up on
         real medievals fought in armor, look up guys like Fiore, Jeu de la
         (not a guy, but a manual of poleaxe combat), Talhoffer, Lichtenauer,
         Very informative. These guys weren't just musclemen swinging for the
         fences. They were highly skilled.

         Neil Gilmore
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