Re: (TFT) Do any of TFT's PC races have night vision ?

[kevin perryman <kevinperryman@gmail.com>]

To the basic question.

- "/As far as I can recall it was never mentioned in ITL that any PC 
race had good night vision or could see underground./ "

You are correct.  I just went through all of the PDFs I have of Melee, 
Advance Melee, Wizard, Advance Wizard, TFT In The Labyrinth.  All of the 
stats and discussion of Other Races as PCs talk about size, likes/hates 
of other races, stat/attribute limitations, bonuses/adjustments in 
combat.  No where does it discuss any form of vision bonuses.

From Melee:
"FANTASY FIGHTERS
An ELF is like a man, except his MA without armor is 12. In leather,
he moves 10. His movement in other armor is the same as a man's.
Minimum ST = 6; minimum DX = 10; total = 24.
A DWARF is also like a man, except min DX = 6, min ST = 10; total =
24, Dwarves do an extra +1 damage when they hit with hammers or axes.
A HALFLING has ST and DX adding to 20. Min ST = 4; min DX = 12.
Halflings get an extra +3 DX adjustment with missile or thrown
weapons, and do an extra +1 damage when they hit with them."

and


"MONSTERS AND BEASTS
A BEAR has a MA of 8. It normally does 2+2 damage, or 3 dice in HTH 
combat. Its fur acts
as armor, taking 2 hits/attack. Suggested ST = 30 (this is a BIG bear). 
Suggested DX = 11.
A WOLF has a MA of 12. Its bite does 1+1 damage, and its fur stops 
1hit/attack.
Suggested ST = 10 (more for dire wolves); suggested DX = 14.
A GIANT SNAKE has MA = 6. Its bite does 1+1 damage. It is very hard to 
hit; -3 off your
DX for any attack on it. Suggested ST = 12; suggested DX = 12. Its side 
hexes are
considered front hexes for all purposes, because it can strike so quickly.
Other animal figures can be set up along similar lines.
A GIANT (say, 9-12 feet tall) occupies 3 hexes; see sketch for which
sides are "front." His MA is 10 unless he is in armor; count the
number of hexes his FRONT moves. His ST will be AT LEAST 24; it might
be 40 or 50 if he's a tough one. His DX will be low rarely more than
9, even without armor. A giant uses big weapons, Re a spiked club
worth (1+1) for every 10 ST he starts with. A giant gets 2-1 in HTH
combat.
A GARGOYLE (see cover) has DX = 11, ST = 20. Its stony flesh stops 3
hits/attack, and its rocklike hands do 2 dice damage in regular or HTH 
combat. It uses no
weapons. Its MA is 8 on the ground, 16 if flying. It lands to attack, 
but may land ON you
for HTH...
An ORC is just like a human figure - except evil.
A HOBGOBLIN fights like a man, but its ST and DX total to only 20, with 
a minimum of
only 6 each.
A GOBLIN also fights like a man, but is even smaller; minimum ST and DX 
4 each, totaling
only 18."

Whenever I have played Melee/Wizard or some combination thereof it was 
typically just quick, down and dirty, lets fight, arena/MMA/WWE fights.  
The small campaigns my group did with TFT were just that, typically 
single adventures/dungeons that lasted several weeks Real Time, and 
typically covered several days or a week of Game World Time.  Thus we 
never really utilized or had the need for such skills/natural 
talents/genetic traits.

Take care

Kevin

On 11/5/2013 10:40 AM, Chris Nicole wrote:
>   
> Who can see in the dark ?
> Do any of TFT's PC races have night vision ?
>
> As far as I can recall it was never mentioned in ITL that any PC race
> had good night vision or could see underground.
> I have seen it carried over from D&D as an assumption that Elves and
> Dwarves have 'InfraVision' but I'm not at all sure I agree.
>
> I take it that in a total absence of light, no one can see.
> They may have other senses, or magic that compensates for lack of light.
> In low light conditions some races will see better than others.
>
> I would expect Humans from a rural or wilderness background to see
> better after dark than city folk, but that may be learned rather than
> adapted.
>
> Dwarves can find their way underground by touch, negative altitude and
> 'sense of place'.
> They don't need to see underground to find their way or place an Axe in
> your skull.
> If they do, they light up a lantern.
> I would assume that a dwarf can see well in low light and doesn't
> usually suffer from claustrophobia.
> They may feel uncomfortable in the open and Agoraphobia may be more
> common among Dwarves.
>
> I don't know why Elves should get night vision, they are supposed to be
> creatures of light!
> Maybe they use Mage Sight or just pretend that they can see better than
> humans ? :o)
>
> I have always treated Orcs as wilderness creatures rather than
> subterranean, so less bothered by daylight than Goblins.
> I suspect they have sharper senses generally than most humans.
> I might give them 'improved' night vision at the cost of colour
> blindness, or needing reading glasses if they take up literacy!
>
> Goblins and Hobgoblins tend to be nocturnal or  subterranean creatures
> so can see well in poor light, but they may struggle in bright light.
> Big eyes and ears come in handy sometimes.
> Agoraphobia is a real problem for a Goblin and bright light may handicap
> them as darkness does for other races.
> Civilised or urban Goblins have managed to overcome this, they wear
> shades in daylight. A hat with a big brim helps.
>
> Halflings Centaurs and Giants don't get night vision, their sight is no
> better than a rural/wilderness humans.
>
> I suspect Gargoyles have slow light vision.
> Their vision and hearing may improve so long as they sit still and
> observe.
>
> What about reptile men.
> If they are reptiles, they might get snake eyes ?
> Some snakes are nocturnal hunters, others are only really active in
> daylight.
> If they are saurian, they might see like a bird ?
>
> How do you treat PC races seeing in the dark ?
>
> Chris


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