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Re: (TFT) The return of Ogre - Rick did something silly.

so what I'm hearing is that Man-to-Man was a good game, but the system quickly outreached the game.

Would it be accurate to say that MtM was the Gamma or Delta version of Melee and Wizard? Sort of a more fully realized version of both? I've never bought it, but am considering it just for it's own sake as a gladiator game. While I love Melee / Wizard, there have been a number of gamey problems like pole weapons and charging that result in some unrealistic play. I'm wondering if MtM corrects that.

In my last play of Death Test, I pretty much always had a guy stepping back a hex or two and then charging someone with a pole arm. It felt silly.

-----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Vandine
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 1:03 PM
To: tft@brainiac.com
Subject: Re: (TFT) The return of Ogre - Rick did something silly.

According to correspondence with Steve Jackson, there won't be any re-issue
of GEV in the same format as the mini-Ogre.  Personally, I think it's a
real shame, and would love to see all the old minigames come back out in th
e old DVD boxes again, but currently that's not his plan or intent.  The
mini-Car Wars reprint is a teaser for the upcoming Car Wars Kickstarter (so
metime in the next year) which was a "stretch goal" for the Ogre Designer's
Edition Kickstarter (and wasn't that an odd choice of stretch goal?).  T
hey've been working on it for some time over at SJG.  If the Ogre outcome
is anything to go by, the Car Wars Kickstarter will be awesome.

o-Man was actually pretty good, but it never really worked as a "gateway" g
ame to GURPS for me personally because GURPS just immediately started pilin
g on the complexity to the point where I felt more like an office manager t
han a gamer.  So, while it does a good job of simulating man-to-man comba
t (and could easily be used as the "combat module" for another RPG), for me
it failed to replace Melee, and GURPS failed to replace TFT as my primary
Fantasy RPG.  Mind you, I own a ton of GURPS books, but mostly as backgro
und information for other games and sources for ideas for TFT.  I know th
at even if SJG acquired the rights to Steve's TFT, the odds of it ever agai
n seeing the light of day would be slim -- it would be in direct competitio
n with GURPS and why would he want to do that?

*Though maybe if en
ough of us screamed and held our breath and wept loudly, he might see his w
ay to do a TFT Kickstarter to do it the way he originally wanted it done be
fore Thompson screwed the pooch with the original set.  Of course that's
all pure speculation, and I doubt Thompson (who seems to be a small-minded,
petty, and vindictive sort of person) would ever let Steve have the rights

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