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Re: (TFT) Spear vs. Shortsword maneuvers
I will look them up again.
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From: Jeffrey Vandine <jlv61560@yahoo.com>
Date: 10/20/2015 4:08 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: tft@brainiac.com
Subject: Re: (TFT) Spear vs. Shortsword maneuvers
Examples please.
From: Edward Kroeten <ekroeten@farmersagent.com>
To: tft@brainiac.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: (TFT) Spear vs. Shortsword maneuvers
Again history is against you on this, infantry could and repeatedly did b
reak up pikemen with swords. Pointy sticks aren't that dangerous afte
r y
ou get past the point. Infantry would walk up and break thru pikemen.
S
o if I move 4 feet in 5 seconds or so I am diving on to the spear, again
that makes no sense. A sword lunge has just a much force and a spear
lun
ge.
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Received: 03:10 PM PDT, 10/20/2015
From: Peter von Kleinsmid <pvk@oz.net>
To: tft@brainiac.com
Subject: Re: (TFT) Spear vs. Shortsword maneuvers
Yeah, there are several different rule variations in I
nterplay and
house rules, which I think mainly are about avo
iding the 4d or 4
d+4
damage of halberds and pike axes.
Oh and by the way, Rick's version of the 3-hex
charge rule is I
think
the only one I know of that prevents MA 10-12 p
eople using retre
ats
or disengagement to get another pole charge eff
ect.
Personally I'm with David in that I don't think
the point is abo
ut
running to build up momentum that way. The Adva
nced Melee sectio
n
makes it clear that SJ originally meant it coul
d be done with a
one-hex move, even by a non-pole-weapon user ad
vancing to engage
a
pole-weapon user.
I think the double damage (and the pole weapons
go first on char
ge,
and +2DX rules) is about the situation of havin
g a long pole wea
pon
being interposed between separated foes. For sh
ortsword guy to b
e
able to hit spear guy, shortsword guy doesn't j
ust risk being po
ked
by a spear on his way in, but risks advancing u
p a braced spear,
which may mean getting run through, or poked an
d repulsed severa
l
times before being able to close. If a real pol
earm user holds i
t
strongly pointed and aligned with someone tryin
g to get to them
with
a shorter weapon, that's a more formidable obst
acle and risk tha
n
just stabbing using a spear. Similar for advanc
ing on someone an
d
keeping the polearm firmly between you two - it
has the potentia
l for
bringing a lot of the mass of the two bodies to
gether along the
pole
because the geometry is of two masses with the
pole between them
. Two
bodies moving to shorten their distance with a
polearm between
presents both the risk of a very sturdy impact,
skewering, or
preventing the movement.
Now, I think double damage only a so-so mechani
c for that situat
ion,
but I think that the situation is a significant
advantage and
deserves some sort of modelling. I think it's i
mportant to show
that
getting past polearms is an important and dange
rous situation.
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