Re: (TFT) Where are those darn gnomes hiding?

[Jeffrey Vandine <jlv61560@yahoo.com>]

Rick,
No, I wasn't trying to say "my way is better" with that question on the Mec
hanicker skill, rather I was "thinking out loud" about what might be a bit 
less "automatic," but if that's a feature of the race in the game, then by 
all means, carry on...  :-)

I can see that an MA of 7 and a ST of 9 or less would be a problem, and the
 other things (armor, extra hit in combat/HTH combat, and specialized weapo
ns) would compensate for it.  I was just sort of wondering if the free
 Skill might be a bit too much of a good thing.  Still, if you've been
 doing it this way for years or something, that would certainly seem to ans
wer the "playtested" question with regard to those abilities.
I like your "special power for specific races" idea -- it's novel and intri
guing, but I think I like the part where you can save up XP to do it a litt
le better than subtracting existing attribute points for it for some reason
.  Maybe I'm just having a problem seeing how learning to talk with Ra
vens might suddenly lower your ST.  My logical brain just isn't seeing
 the connection from what you've provided in the power descriptions, but ma
ybe there's background info ("players' guide" sort of stuff) that would mak
e that easier for me to understand were I to play in the actual campaign.
  However, as a casual outside observer, it somehow makes more sense t
o me that you would devote XP to "learning" the new power much like you wou
ld to acquire any other Talent or ability; as opposed to suddenly dropping 
points to do it sort of "retroactively."  By burning XP normally, you'
d be making an active choice to study that special ability rather than buil
d muscle mass, learn a new language, learn to fence, or pick up a new Spell
 or three.  However, having said all of that, I'm not actually playing
 in that game, and it may all make perfect sense in the context of the GM's
 fantasy world, so please don't take this as another "my idea is better com
ment" -- I'm just seeing this for the first time and am trying to get my he
ad around it...  ;-)
v/r,Jeff


      From: Rick Smith <rick_ww@lightspeed.ca>
 To: tft@brainiac.com 
 Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 1:34 AM
 Subject: Re: (TFT) Where are those darn gnomes hiding?
   
Hi Jeff,
  The gnomes have a 7 movement, which is pretty crippling as a PC race
.
The other things try make up for it.  If you wanted to say your gnomes
 can
get Mechanicer 1 memory cheaper, that is fine.  But the gnomes in my
friend's campaign are ALL tinkerers and inventors so the rules are 
written that way.

  Holy cow, yes there is a typo.  I'll fix it tomorrow.  The
 second power 
allows them to talk to ravens.  The first can rarely cause the gnome t
o
be 'reminded' of something elsewhere or in the future.

  Most of my races have a few things that they can spend attributes on
.
Dwarves have fewer than many.

  By the way, the rules do not say, but you can save up a couple attri
butes
of exp and spend that rather than boosting an attribute and then reducing
it for the magical power.  However, that is how they are often bought 
in 
our campaigns.  I have been debating making that the rule, as it seems
 to
make more 'sense'.

  We are in my friend's TFT campaign and my wife is playing a gnome.
  
She has not bought any of the gnome powers so those are untested.
The other advantages and disadvantages have been.  So far she is 
finding the low MA and low ST pretty big disadvantages.

  Thanks for your comments! 

  Warm regards, Rick


On 2016-03-06, at 1:18 AM, Jeffrey Vandine wrote:

> Rick,
> So, I like the basic concept.  Gnomes seem to be pretty interesting 
ch
> aracters, but I DO find it odd that they can trade attribute points for s
o 
> many different things.  As I recall, the Dwarves could only buy two 
th
> ings that way, and they had to be done in order.  Also, I'm very con
fu
> sed by the Ravens of Omen and the Whispers to Ravens powers -- they seem 
to
> be the same thing, though the one mysteriously talks about "wishes" witho
u
> t actually explaining what the power is for.  It's almost like there
 w
> as a cut and paste error with those two powers.
> Also, I have to question giving the Gnomes Mechanician for free on top of
 a
> ll their other benefits (natural armor, bonus hits, special weapons). 
> I could see making it cost one less IQ point for a Gnomish character base
d
> on the apparent characteristics you are going for here, but free seems a 
b
> it much.  Have you actually playtested these advantages?  It se
em
> s to me that Gnomes may gain too many benefits as written.
> v/rJeff
> 
> 
>      From: Rick Smith <rick_ww@lightspeed.ca>
> To: tft@brainiac.com 
> Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 12:18 AM
> Subject: (TFT) Where are those darn gnomes hiding?
> 
> Hi Jeff,
>  The link is here...
> 
> http://tft.brainiac.com/RicksTFT/Characters/Gnomes_In_TFT.html
> 
>  However, if you google "brainiac TFT" it takes you to our site that
> Joe hosts.  He has a link 1/3 of the way down the page that takes
> you to all of my essays and articles.  The gnomes is in the 
> Character's link.
> 
>  Warm regards, Rick.
> 
> 
> 
> On 2016-03-06, at 12:10 AM, Jeffrey Vandine wrote:
> 
>> Rick,
>> I must have missed the gnome article.  I've been having some 
i
> ssues wi
>> th connectivity due to weather (I'm on a satellite system).  
C
> an you r
>> esend?
>> v/rJeff
>> 
>> 
>>      From: Rick Smith <rick_ww@lightspeed.ca>
>> To: tft@brainiac.com 
>> Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2016 12:35 PM
>> Subject: (TFT) At last, Environmental Magics in TFT.
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> Â  Here is my long delayed article on Environmental magics in 
T
> FT.Â
>>  This is a new class
>> of spells like Thrown Spells and Creation Spells, etc.
>> 
>> 
>> http://tft.brainiac.com/RicksTFT/SpellsTFT/Environmental_Magics_TFT.html
>> 
>> 
>> Â  If you have ideas for your own Environmental spells, I woul
d
> be inte
>> rested in knowing
>> them.  I would not mind adding a few more to my campaign.
>> 
>> Â  Comments are welcome of course.
>> 
>> Â  I was sorry no one had anything to say on my gnome article.
> Â  I 
>> rather liked the special
>> abilities given in that article.
>> 
>> Â  Warm regards, Rick.
>> 
>> 
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