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Re: Pole Weaps versus Cav Charge

Looks like the infantry are the ones waving their hats at the end?  I really cannot tell if it is a re-enactment or not.  (Example everyone here already knows, a whole lot of the famous Civil War carnage shots were posed right there on the battlefield with the corpses of the real soldiers. )

It *looks* like the cavalry could've pressed home and rolled over the infantry, but it really does dim at the wrong moment.   Possibly also argues toward re-enactment: in the real battle (the day before or whenever) the cav lost, so the soldiers had to reenact it that way?  (Joaquin Phoenix, in Gladiator:  "Correct me if I'm wrong General, but didn't the Romans beat the Carthaginians in this battle?")

Even in small numbers though, and against pretty modern weapons, the sheer mass and momentum  of the horsemen was pretty impressive though.  Sitting ducks during that long slow charge.  

My verdict is:  Hmm!  Very very interesting! -- Craig

On 8/2/2018 10:54 AM, Craig Barber wrote:

Good stuff!  Thanks T.!  I'm going to go look at it right now.  

I enjoyed the rhino charge yesterday too: somebody had to pay the damage deposit on their rental car!

-- Craig

On 8/2/2018 4:35 AM, Thomas Fulmer wrote:
I found a few early video examples of cavalry caught on film. 

From 1898 shows training of horses and was in Thomas Edison's collection

This video from: 

From same time frame shows the famous Teddy Roosevelt rough riders doing a simulated charge for the camera.

From 1900, also from Thomas Edison's collection, speed an actual cavalry charge during the boer war, but it was against artillery and guns and not against lances


On Wed, Aug 1, 2018, 17:23 Craig Barber <craigwbar@comcast.net> wrote:

So I wonder if anyone in the 1920s or 1930s caught on movie film the moment of impact between a genuine cav charge and pole weapons?  (Maybe during The River War, or the breakup of the Austo-Hungarian Empire or a Russian invasion of Turkey?)   What really happens?  I wouldn't trust written accounts from the cavalry era(s) --- due to viewpoint problems.  (Herald: "Then our stalwart yeomanry did withstand the enemy charge!" [real world: 60% casualties among the pikemen, go get more yeoman before your next battle]). 

My most vivid "memories" of it are... TLOTR: Peter Jackson has the Rohirrim pretty much pancake the poor orcs twice: Helm's Deep and Minis Tirith.  OTOH, the USMC claimed into the 1910's at least (had an elderly relative) that they were stoic enough to stop a cav charge just with mounted bayonets and discipline.   Seems like good fiction or poor memories are all we have to go on.  Someone here know of some original source material? 

-- Craig