Re: (TFT) Converting Dungeons and Droolers...

["Brennan O'Brien" <veilheim@yahoo.com>]

Micheal, 

With due respect, are you familiar with DND 3E?  While
your comments are certainly valid for all previous
editions of DND, I would suggest that 3E is so
radically different that many of your core complaints
seem to be addressed.  

You're absolutely correct.  TFT is modular. But is has
always (IMHO) suffered from a scalability problem 
which I don't believe DND now shares.  Until three
months ago, my favorite games have always been 
Warhammer fantasy rpg and TFT -- two black sheep games
if ever there were such things.  Now I play DND.  I
don't look back, I don't have to sit there thinking
"gosh if only DND did/was/could/allowed X".  Wizards
has completely redesigned the engine to clear up
rules, clean the thing up and make it a joy (yes, I
said JOY) to play.  I am a game system tinkerer at
heart.  I finally have a game I don't have to tinker. 


Anyhow, my 0.02$.

Brennan



--- Michael Taylor <MichaelTaylor1@compuserve.com>
wrote:
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> >
> >>>>>But, these maneuvers aren't in the list of
> available actions, and
> therefore
> >>>>>doing these things goes outside the rules. 
> Which I don't have a
> problem
> >>>>>with, as long as I can go outside the rules
> with D&D.  Once I can do
> that,
> >>>>>D&D becomes as good for role-playing as TFT.
> 
> That seems like a drastic oversimplification. It's
> easy to say - but not
> very realistic in practice. All of us tried to 'fix'
> D&D by modifying it at
> one time - myself included. Realistically the
> farther away from what you
> want the system is, the more work it is to modify. 
> 
> If what your saying were literally true - no one
> would ever play anything
> else. We wouldn't need any other rule systems at
> all. We'd just 'go outside
> of D&D's rules'! 
> 
> But all I've done is change the TFT combat system
> from one Microgame combat
> system to another very similar. Neither the combat
> system nor the rest of
> the game broke. The TFT design is modular enough to
> stand up to massive
> changes without affecting the rest of the system.
> The same is not true of
> the D&D design. 
> 
> I want to play "D&D" only without character classes
> and levels and armor
> class and using spell points and without Charisma
> and Wisdom and
> Constitution. And all I have to do is 'go outside
> the rules...'? I dont
> think so...
> 
> I think I have to go to another system! 
> 
> >>>>>Sure, however, you are limited by the means
> with which you represent
> the
> >>>>>tactical situation to the players, and with how
> they are able to
> interpret
> >>>>>your representation.
> 
> Why is that a limiit? How are you *not* limited to
> that with 'non-tactical'
> combat?
> 
> Michael 
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