The idea of Conan the battle axe wielding wizard always bugged me.
In my home rules we handle it like this:
Created a 4th stat Endurance (aka fatigue)
Hit points = ST+EN/2
So the hero and wizard still have equal HP benefit depending on how they
invest in stats. ST for fighting and EN for spell casting.
Cheers!
Chris
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Subject: RE: (TFT) fatigue and death
Philip,
Good comments. I've always been a little uneasy when I have a situation
where a warrior has an ST of 16 and a wizard has and ST of 16. These two
ST's really mean two different things, however in the game they're
treated the same. Is our wizard really as physically strong as the
warrior? I doubt it. A wizard who spends his time building up his ST for
spells suddenly can do amazing physical feats just like the warrior who
has the high ST from flexing his muscles.
We used to break the ST attribute down into two different attributes,
one that represented physical strength and one that represented
HP/Constitution. The latter we used for spell points. It's not a perfect
solution but it makes a little more sense.
FWIW,
Aidan
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Phillip Roath wrote:
I have noticed a lot of objections to the TFT way of Wizards casting
spells and being
weakened to the point that even a minor blow can be fatal. I for one
used to be highly
irritated that a wizard, after casting a couple of spells, was only
one well placed banana
peel away from certain death. I do believe ST should be
handled differently for wizards and heroes. They use strength
in different ways. Conan can wield a great sword easily, but even
were he to learn some spells, he would be more fatigued by casting
them than would a wizard. Gandalf was certainly an extremely
powerful wizard and wields magic the way a conducter waves his
baton leading an orchestra. However, Gandalf could barely pick up
Conan's favorite sword let alone swing it in battle without hurting
himself.
Now about the banana peel- fatigue kills!! A person can exhert
themselves to the point of death. Having been in the military I am
well aquainted with the concepts of fatigue and injururies, and the
causes and effects. It is not always possible to say why one person
lived with a horenndous injury/wound that would have killed most
people (except that God does intervene), or why someone else died
with a relatively
minor injury/wound. Both cases happen. In the latter case, many
times if a person
has been heavily exerting himself and is quite fatigued, even an
injury that is not normally life threatening can induce shock. Shock
if not treated rapidly is a KILLER!!
Just ask anyone in the Emergency Medical Fields -- they are stressed
to do two major
things -- 1) stop bleeding and 2) treat for and try to prevent
shock!
The good news is fatigue damage is easier and faster to
recover, and just requires rest. Bad news!! Wounds and injuries can
heal from rest but at a much slower rate,
and usually even require some kind of 1st aid and/or medical
attention to get the
healing process started.
So yes the Wizard who has cast a few spells can die from a
minor wound, and so
can that Hero/Fighter who has been exerting himself to the point of
fatigue.
Thinking about these things also made me think about Heroes
using spells and Wizards using weapons. As for Heroes casting
spells, consider increasing the ST
cost by 2-3pts plus an extra 1pt/turn to maintain spells. For
Wizards (except for
ST 8-9 weapons) they should have ST at least 3-4 pts higher than
"required" to use a particular weapon with a -2DX and at least
5-6pts higher for -1DX and 7pts
higher to enjoy swinging non wizardly weapons with no penalties!!
A Hero's ST is muscle more than anything, and for a Wizard it is
mental and
physical stamina as opposed to being musclebound. This means even a
wizard
with Sword Talent and ST 12 is not going to easily handle a
"silver" broadsword,
but that "silver" Rapier will be no problem.
I hope this makes some sense to somebody and balances things
out a little.
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