RE: (TFT) fatigue and death

["Eric Coles" <eac42@columbia.edu>]

I've never had a problem with that aspect.  Speaking of Conan, I recall him
frequently having to exert himself in dealing with a wizard's "unnatural
strength."  Of course, I also tend to run a more oriental-flavored game
where folks cross-train a lot, and the wispy old man's "high inner strength"
is as good an explanation for putting someone through a wall as it is for
spamming spells longer than most.      

Best,

Eric A. Coles 

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From: tft-admin@brainiac.com [mailto:tft-admin@brainiac.com] On Behalf Of
Christopher Brandon
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 2:50 PM
To: tft@brainiac.com
Subject: RE: (TFT) fatigue and death

The idea of Conan the battle axe wielding wizard always bugged me.

In my home rules we handle it like this:

Created a 4th stat Endurance (aka fatigue)

Hit points = ST+EN/2

So the hero and wizard still have equal HP benefit depending on how they
invest in stats. ST for fighting and EN for spell casting.  


Cheers!
Chris


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Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 10:40 AM
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Subject: RE: (TFT) fatigue and death

Philip,

Good comments. I've always been a little uneasy when I have a situation
where a warrior has an ST of 16 and a wizard has and ST of 16. These two
ST's really mean two different things, however in the game they're treated
the same. Is our wizard really as physically strong as the warrior? I doubt
it. A wizard who spends his time building up his ST for spells suddenly can
do amazing physical feats just like the warrior who has the high ST from
flexing his muscles.

We used to break the ST attribute down into two different attributes, one
that represented physical strength and one that represented HP/Constitution.
The latter we used for spell points. It's not a perfect solution but it
makes a little more sense.

FWIW,
Aidan


On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Phillip Roath wrote:

> I have noticed a lot of objections to the TFT way of Wizards casting 
> spells and being
>   weakened to the point that even a minor blow can be fatal. I for one 
> used to be highly
>   irritated that a wizard, after casting a couple of spells, was only 
> one well placed banana
>   peel away from certain death.         I do believe ST should be 
> handled differently for wizards and heroes. They use strength
>   in different ways. Conan can wield a great sword easily, but even 
> were he to learn some   spells, he would be more fatigued by casting 
> them than would a wizard.  Gandalf was   certainly an extremely 
> powerful wizard and wields magic the way a conducter waves his
>   baton leading an orchestra.  However, Gandalf could barely pick up 
> Conan's favorite   sword let alone swing it in battle without hurting 
> himself.
>        Now about the banana peel- fatigue kills!! A person can exhert 
> themselves to the   point of death. Having been in the military I am 
> well aquainted with the concepts of   fatigue and injururies, and the 
> causes and effects. It is not always possible to say   why one person 
> lived with a horenndous injury/wound that would have killed most
>   people (except that God does intervene), or why someone else died 
> with a relatively
>   minor injury/wound. Both cases happen. In the latter case, many 
> times if a person
>   has been heavily exerting himself and is quite fatigued, even an 
> injury that is not   normally life threatening can induce shock. Shock 
> if not treated rapidly is a KILLER!!
>   Just ask anyone in the Emergency Medical Fields -- they are stressed 
> to do two major
>   things -- 1) stop bleeding and 2) treat for and try to prevent 
> shock!
>        The good news is fatigue damage is easier and faster to 
> recover, and just requires   rest. Bad news!! Wounds and injuries can 
> heal from rest but at a much slower rate,
>   and usually even require some kind of 1st aid and/or medical 
> attention to get the
>   healing process started.
>         So yes the Wizard who has cast a few spells can die from a 
> minor wound, and so
>   can that Hero/Fighter who has been exerting himself to the point of 
> fatigue.
>        Thinking about these things also made me think about Heroes 
> using spells and   Wizards using weapons.  As for Heroes casting 
> spells, consider increasing the ST
>   cost by 2-3pts plus an extra 1pt/turn to maintain spells.  For 
> Wizards (except for
>   ST 8-9 weapons)  they should have ST at least 3-4 pts higher than 
> "required" to   use a particular weapon with a -2DX and at least 
> 5-6pts higher for -1DX and 7pts
>   higher to enjoy swinging non wizardly weapons with no penalties!! 
> A Hero's ST is muscle more than anything, and for a Wizard it is 
> mental and
>   physical stamina as opposed to being musclebound. This means even a 
> wizard
>   with Sword Talent and ST 12  is not going to easily handle a 
> "silver" broadsword,
>   but that "silver" Rapier will be no problem.
>        I hope this makes some sense to somebody and balances things 
> out a little.
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