Thanks Neil! (I think) I remember you objecting to Clements when I mentioned him years ago. I will be making some time to do a review of all of this some time soon. It will be good for the game design I'm doing. PvK ===== Post to the entire list by writing to email@example.com. Unsubscribe by mailing to firstname.lastname@example.org with the message body "unsubscribe tft"