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Re: (TFT) Daily Life...

Interestingly, at the GURPS forum at SJ Games, or in a response to an email I wrote him (unfortunately, can't remember which), I think he said that he "couldn't" buy anything from Metagaming b/c of Howard Thompson's "mysterious disappearance" from the gaming world. Another old-timer from Clash of Arms where I work occasionally said that no one has been able to reach Howard since he closed shop. That mystery has never been solved, but Area 51 theories abound...

RE: Tolkein, I think the difference is that Tolkein is writing "Tuchman history" with the modern mind in mind (so to speak) - things make sense internally and are explained, b/c that was the background he wanted for his world. Vance and Leiber are writing "Herodotus" history, where legend and rumor are included if that makes for a good read or there's nothing more conclusive around.

90% of the population doesn't know the difference between such hard and soft history, so they keep repeating what they learned in 3rd grade (or much much worse - saw in movies...especially Oliver Stone films), which was often erroneous, is now dated, or was so simplified that it holds no real value. Just the other day I heard someone quote the old saw that the Colonists won the American Revolution by hiding behind bushes while stupid redcoats marched in straight lines, as though the entire war was Lexington / Concord. The same sort of "everyone knows it" history is repeated about everything from the Fall of Rome, the role of the Catholic Church, the Crusades, to WWII and Vietnam.

Personally, I don't mind that people hold fashionable, erroneous or simplistic ideas - we can't all be experts at everything. But if you know you're not an expert or highly trained / experienced in a field, then at least defer to those who do while you go look it up yourself. Even a quick trip to Wiki isn't entirely wasted, I've found, if you're in a hurry - you just can't take it as gospel.

-----Original Message----- From: raito@raito.com
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:23 PM
To: tft@brainiac.com
Subject: Re: (TFT) Daily Life...

Quoting gem6868 <gem6868@verizon.net>:
Tolkein was writing mythical history, to replace the "lost / suppressed"
Anglo-Saxon tales the Normans squashed as part of their takeover.   He
didn't regard it as the equal of "history" as Barbara Tuchman writes, or a
(respectable) university might present as a major. However, your statement
that you consider Tolkein = history makes it easier for me to comprehend
some of your posts.

I probalby don't mean what you think. When I say Tolkein was writing
histories, I don't mean that the events were real, but that the voice
he uses is a historian's voice. That's why you see him doing things
like explaining everything, etc. His point of view is removed from the

The difference might be
seen in GURPS v. TFT.  Steve Jackson seems to have wanted to ground his
system more in "reality as we know it", but that may only be b/c he intended GURPS from the beginning to be universal, and therefore you can role-play an
historical supplement, a fantasy supplement, or one like "GURPS Greece"
where you choose btw mythic Greece and historical Greece. Having been away
from TFT for a good solid 25+ years the style difference is much more
noticeable to me, and that's part of what makes it so retro-fun.

From those who I know who know him, the prime impetus for GURPS was
that he couldn't afford to buy back TFT, and that TFt would have become
universal if he had been able to do so.

Neil Gilmore
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