Re: (TFT) Animated TFT Battles

[Thomas Fulmer <tfulmer1@gmail.com>]

I'd play advanced Melee rounds against a computer from time to time...seems
like it would be good practice.

--Thomas

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:46 AM David Bofinger <bofinger.david@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Perhaps instead of writing a program that conducts hundreds of consecutive
> TFT battles, maybe I should have written one that generates text, like it
> seems Jay has.
>
> I'm thinking to be fun the program needs interactivity. That means two
> things:
>
> * Conversion to JavaScript and a Web interface.
>
> * Some degree of human input: e.g. The ability to directly control one
> character.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> --
> David
> On 20/11/2015 1:53 PM, "Jay Carlisle" <maou.tsaou@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Can it do football?
> > A turring test I use to feel out flow.
> > 5 second turns are awkward from a game view where the roll to hit
> > feels like a specific swing even though it's undefined injury hp's and
> > it's hard to make that clear which is important as the gametools are
> > about detailing so players aren't in different realms with abstract
> > terms imaginatively speaking. Players need to agree on visualization
> > in a shared creative experience or the different ideas of what
> > fireball is can make for messy oops when the difference pops up four
> > sessions into play and NOW find it's a baseball not AD&D PH flash fire
> > of fumes filling lots more volume.
> > I also added athletics and got rid of abstract injury counting fatigue
> > in hp and have 1 second phase turns so literally mean football but I'm
> > Me and ditched GM's in favor of setting up objective sandbox environs
> > that can't have player above all other players plop nether region poop
> > at will into play instead striving for a design anytime but in play
> > attempt at objectivity elseif I'd box My personality and push that
> > instead of trying to make a game. Call it D&D but it's not the same
> > thing if everybody plays so different that houserules define a
> > specific table set up to whatever format quarter inch graph here 5 sq
> > per inch there and papertape movement the other. My designs should fit
> > all tables playing said game elseif top of the table is basically
> > nerfed into decoration rather than encouraged and collected for use of
> > the community.
> > IMHO of course... I think rules lawyers irked GG so bad He over
> > reacted. To much questioning was the claim but read that hot mess and
> > piss poor publishing and editing makes questioning necessary sooooo
> > piss on a meta player back to a table of equals and if You wanna tell
> > a story write a book but plotting game makes play pointless like so
> > many button presses between cut scene unaffected by play at all...
> > Play to the mediums strengths not mimic another mediums pidgin...
> > poorly. Gameplay implies fairness and impactive participation not
> > personal whim and wing it but say it's got depth like lost or x files.
> > Depth requires design and can't be hidden long by pretty drawings or
> > similar distractions. Improv ain't gonna script Adaptation and
> > whatever the market model is these days is better termed paticaptory
> > fiction or somesuch not trying to invalidate what can work fine as
> > entertainment... maybe the point after justifying what the hell one
> > spent ones adult life mucking about with a game shame that might be
> > showing a tiny bit but not heavy on fairness, effect of a given player
> > on actual plot or tiny details like how many gp's are in circulation
> > or where the "Orc's" (half-orc means race not monster... shameful fail
> > to find any tinge to kill and loot to progress period and wargames saw
> > My slap happy ass in 82nd cause the conflict was framed as fun and the
> > rest wasn't even hinted as downsides which doesn't have to be preached
> > but I ain't making recruitment propaganda for pax americana so war can
> > cause more problems than it corrects... kills... whatever) come from
> > before the left turn out GMs ass and how many ass orcs does that clown
> > car caboose hold? Stories can skip what isn't pert but Players pop
> > quantum wave functions in gameworlds same as realworld just asking
> > questions and winging actual figures can come back quick to bite
> > storytellers but ignoring Player questions is... well I find it awful
> > art as well as evidence of a group to bid g'day too if not intent on
> > usurp the gimp GM's GURP's group which is a dick move in itself but I
> > hate stupid murder porn so primetime tv is not on My radar as I could
> > care less about hurting murder porns feelings and storytelling GM's
> > get little better if trying to bully ME. Bitch this is MY HOUSE and
> > has been for 40 years now so You go do You but I ain't got time to
> > stroke ego's with nada but bravado backing it. Most GM's know how to
> > barter with implied suggestions so My scathing MINE'S BIGGER bs has
> > only issued forth a few times for idiots trying to authority ME like I
> > don't have authority issues or hands on experience and no gut from
> > devoting Myself to hedgefund management instead of game as art ramen
> > and a temper about MY subject. Y'all's too, ownership isn't exclusive
> > here but starting with pathfinder ain't cred likely to correct or make
> > dps seem like a good metric for tabletop when trying to trump My
> > Bunnies and Burrows ace in the hole kid. You like it? Valid but not an
> > objective argument for superior mechanic and certainly not necessary
> > for all RPG's (while bitchin bout no GM too... picky kid who won't eat
> > but one thing) but design is a bitchgoddes that promptly throws You
> > under the bus when critique or complaints bandy about somehow prior to
> > publication because game is like god... all good till a question or
> > two is asked and god isn't unifing no more and game becomes taste. MY
> > subject. If I wasn't stupid or arrogant I'd not be here so sue Me... I
> > try to empower Players to play the game they want rather than suffer
> > illusions of ownership without falling away into homebrew hinterlands
> > localized out of any formal relation past title and with an eye toward
> > besting what is to a final form rather than market releases to drive
> > profit but ditch rules to sell copy making each edition a different
> > game which has no reason to do much at all as it's throw away in half
> > a decade and not striving for the best expression at all because
> > Players are to be milked of all monies possible not served ones best
> > to a community of fellows trusting the rest to follow. Why make the
> > best make believe possible when no ones paying You? Because no one
> > else would. Game is what had market success not mythmaking and
> > mythologizing creatively instead of just buying the party line like
> > You can't tweak the story to suit. Civilization as escalator of upward
> > progress bs ignoring how horrible We are at it. Humans as multicelled
> > community organisms not individuals consisting of the waking ego and a
> > reflex or two who can't survive alone being fundemental to a
> > harmonious view of existance instead of trying to fix a gender pay gap
> > that doesn't exist because heard it on tv is as good as saw it on tv
> > as proof of anything. Everyone knows aluminum leave a loony tunes
> > cyote shaped hold hitting steel reinforced concreate. Equal and
> > opposite does just that and is probably what David Copperfield used
> > making the statue of liberty disappear which I saw only trumped by
> > expert testamony and a computer model as conclusive evidence that the
> > popular rags ain't worth paper to wipe the jericurl left by all those
> > exiting ass-orcs balance like AI is "computer players cheat" and poor
> > fits for actual game. Got a lucky crit streak? Watch the extra
> > ass-orcs make the fight longer to suit the GM. I try plucking fair
> > outta there and leave the story to the sumation but I got weird ideas
> > about playable non-combat characters and constructive play options to
> > advance to contrast destructive play. King's are not playable unless
> > You count the kingdom but why put populations instead of nothing and
> > npcs following the orc route which I wouldn't rule either... I don't
> > even use two moons or babble names for common concepts or even not
> > Earth as objective example which is stupid of Me because everyone can
> > ID a 20 mile box of area as specifically here not there while driving
> > perfectly farting cherry blossom fresh stink to and subjective
> > objective examples are where ass people are pulled from.
> > Fantasy is not about small considered changes to existing knowns but
> > about drawing a locational map and babble names and ignoring existing
> > norms while using them ergo Middle Earth is Earth normal gravity or
> > Legolas's bow needs lots o splainin like bullets on Mars if bothering
> > to go past space opera there will be no math in THIS game dictum more
> > than description. I try to explain a frame past what Players should
> > ever access to cover clever girls dropping My concept by designing
> > deep magic say not buzz wording it like a full concept. Magic is often
> > meh to unformed conceptually much less deep magic. Lilly guilding
> > again rather than claiming loose conception pretending to depth that
> > ain't never been there. Lore before game is horse pullin by cart. Game
> > plays lore is told. Like putting everything in a digital RPG as code
> > for no reason other than fixation forgetting playing to strength
> > options code can't carry. The touch table plant is in My neck o the
> > woods and worth consideration untill sales numbers show if the ground
> > is fallow but if so We have table experience others lack and can't
> > implement if not locked into code period like game must have story
> > because xbox not Atari2600 roots and I can rant a LONG TIME here but
> > think I finally got win10 malware nuked and can use My gumped machine
> > to play nice with the other boys and girls I'm looking to convert this
> > with for Jay purposes and residual info that may help if reported back
> > sooooooo Jay shuts up... amazing even Me. Jay Joyce was a rotten
> > method for Me to mimic and learning to sortta type at 50/60wpm or more
> > made Me dangerous able to rant ad nausium and type what I think which
> > is worse than just posting nudie pics at the list which is just...
> > well not what I'd want to communicate to something I consider a
> > personal treasure so Jay's jewels are a TFT teabag of some awful awful
> > tea.
> > Yet that's what comes of My trickle of cluelessness coupled with the
> > competence compulsive failure forces from a Universe fed up with
> > trying to signal a stupid soul engaged in stupid... the asylum becomes
> > the inmates domain and... THIS!
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 1:26 PM, David Bofinger
> > <bofinger.david@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Cris:
> > >> If it's random, then you have a simulator, right?
> > >
> > > Yes, that's the point of the project.
> > >
> > >> There must be some decent AI, too?
> > >
> > > Of course. Brilliant AI. That the heroes and monsters just scream and
> > leap
> > > without a thought for tactics or survival? I must have wanted it to
> > happen
> > > that way.
> > >
> > > Seriously, the AI it has now is pretty basic. They just run at each
> other
> > > and they don't even think about where their friends are. Though they
> > think
> > > a little harder about their facing. Sometimes they feel so happy with
> > their
> > > back against a wall that they stay out of the fight for a turn or two.
> > > Better AI would be a possibility but it sounds hard and I don't know if
> > it
> > > would make the program any more fun.
> > >
> > > I just added terrain: random groups of blocked hexes. And logic to
> stop a
> > > battle if the two sides find themselves isolated. :-)
> > >
> > > That's a good question: what *would* make this more fun?
> > >
> > >> What language did you write it in?
> > >
> > > It's Java. Very bad Java. I didn't think before I started typing. For
> > > instance: in retrospect the hex map should have made less use of
> > Cartesian
> > > coordinates and more of arrays of neighbours.
> > >
> > >> Will you make it open source (put it on Github)?
> > >
> > > I think for the moment if anyone wants it they can ask me and I'll
> mail.
> > >
> > > Thanks for mailing me privately about methods of displaying hexes but
> > > really displaying the hexes is the easy part and I'm not going to
> change
> > it
> > > now. Unless this is somehow relevant to converting it to a web app,
> which
> > > might be a very good idea. Converting to Javascript should be easy,
> > > shouldn't it?
> > >
> > > Greg:
> > >> Do the blue guys always win?
> > >
> > > Not in general, there's the occasional total party kill. But there
> might
> > > not be one in the battles I put up, I didn't check.
> > >
> > > The program adjusts the strength of monsters after every fight to get
> an
> > > average of 50 points of pain for the characters each battle. One dead
> > > character is 50 points, and one point of damage on a character is 1
> > point.
> > >
> > > Each battle the number of characters gets randomly chosen. If there's
> too
> > > many some get benched for a battle. If there's not enough some new ones
> > get
> > > made. Characters accumulate experience and each time they get a level
> > they
> > > have a 50% chance of increasing ST (perhaps with a change of weapon)
> and
> > > 50% of increasing DX. Then they might change their armour and/or
> shield.
> > >
> > >> The animation was a little fast for me to see what was going on
> > >>  at first.  Maybe added a speed setting or a scrubber bar so that you
> > can
> > >> go back to see what happened.
> > >
> > > The program makes a sequence of PNG images, which I turned into a GIF
> > > animation using VirtualDub. I read on the web it makes small GIF files,
> > > which seemed important. I also tried FFMPEG but didn't have much luck:
> > got
> > > it to work once but the file was huge and then I changed settings and
> it
> > > never worked again. :-( I could certainly slow the animation down, but
> I
> > > don't know how to do speed settings. It's annoying that browsers, etc.,
> > > don't let you change speed. Anyone got any thoughts?
> > >
> > > Marc:
> > >> how it compares with Lloyd's simulator?
> > >
> > > There are many duel simulators but I haven't seen any other skirmish
> > > simulators.
> > >
> > > Thomas:
> > >> If your map allowed for entering turns/tokens in a simple
> > >> format then displayed the map with movements/facings/attacks
> > >> from a simple text input it would save a lot of time in that regard.
> > >
> > > If you want the code I'll send it but I think you'll getting nicer
> > results
> > > from a simple drawing package.
> > >
> > > --
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> > > On 20 November 2015 at 02:23, Greg Thorne <Greg.Thorne@sas.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Very cool.  The animation was a little fast for me to see what was
> > going on
> > >>  at first.  Do the blue guys always win?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Very Cool!  The animation was a little fast for me to see what was
> > going on
> > >>  at first.  Maybe added a speed setting or a scrubber bar so that you
> > can g
> > >> o back to see what happened.
> > >>
> > >> Question:  Do the blue guys always win?
> > >>
> > >> -Greg Thorne
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Nov 18, 2015, at 11:58 PM, David Bofinger <
> bofinger.david@gmail.com
> > >> <mail
> > >> to:bofinger.david@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I wrote code to generate animations like this, and I'm interested in
> > >> people's thoughts.
> > >>
> > >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/8kf98b1vtng46nh/tftbattles.gif?dl
> > >> It has a lot of the Advanced Melee rules, some of them approximated,
> > >> twenty-eight character templates, thirty-one simplified monster
> > >> definitions. No wizards, no missiles weapons (wouldn't be that hard to
> > add
> > >> but might not be much fun), no tactics much other than "Charge!" Tell
> me
> > >> what you think.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> David
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