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Re: (TFT) Re: TFT Digest V4 #463
Well burst My bubble and point out the flawed model that judges the
standard according to what humans value ergo baby chimp is less than
human because language is limited to a few phrases when human baby
babbles with a bigger vocabulary vocal chords a moot consideration
along with motor coordination and similar areas the humans have no
advantage in... However the idea is that a statistical mechanic is
representative of a definable concept that communicates an objective
idea with some precision owing to the quantification so while totally
fair as a point about assumptions of what IQ is overall I specifically
use IQ as a measure of how quickly a Figure can perceive it's
environment defined by IQ = 2 seconds / a Figures IQ and how much a
Figure can take on in Talents, Followers, and Orders and maintain at
full effect. In effect the faster a Figure sees the smarter it is and
the more specific functions can be maintained in the same period of
routine compared to a Figure with a lower IQ. The idea is 1pt of IQ
cost in a Talent represents not only the IQ cost to purchase said
Talent but also represents the time required in maintaining said
Talent each unit of downtime routine not actively engaged in gameplay
per say. S^3 fits there as well (S#!^, shower, shave activity and the
like) while 2sec/IQ (Joe Average ~0.2 second) is the see/decide time
that added with reaction time via DX (1 second / DX) determines which
phases are Actionable for a Figure naturally for focused combat that
looks at detail the 5 second turn technically subsumes into what's
basically a CRT for Melee as far as individual strikes are
concerned... I use En Guard!/Swashbuckler style actions/reactions for
this focus and the CRT generalization expands up into mass combat by
extending scale/duration higher than 1.3m/5sec with the Lords of
titles showing the concept isn't unfounded for TFT...
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 6:41 AM, Cris Fuhrman <fuhrmanator@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thomas Armstrong, "7 Kinds of Smart":
>
> 1. Word smart (verbal intelligence)
> 2. Picture smart
> 3. Music smart
> 4. Body smart (kenesthetic intelligence)
> 5. Logic smart (math/science)
> 6. People smart (social sense)
> 7. Self smart (intrapersonal intellect)
>
> TFT Talents try to model a lot of these notions, but it still ties back to
> one number (IQ). Pushing the basic Melee/Wizard model clearly fails with
> reality. What about eusociality? Is ant intelligence higher than a fighter?
>
> All models are wrong; some models are useful. (George Box?)
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:20 AM, Jay Carlisle <maou.tsaou@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Got the errata
>> Thanks
>> And I got the IQ 7 for ProotWiz'es although they may not actually be
>> proots if the tribe runs them off... anyway, I'z musing as to what
>> this might mean looking toward IQ 1 spells, if suchathing exists at
>> all that is...
>> IDK... Let's just say when testing defenses I find a fruitful first
>> start often comes from targeting the assumptions... For general
>> discussion I often describe "Magic" as the ability to call a virtual
>> particle of specific traits into being via vacuum genesis as the root
>> concept being manipulated but that's just one possibility that serves
>> more to show how much such a concept can influence the idea as opposed
>> to say sympathetic magic that may be heavy on components and the
>> correct verbal, gestural, procedural components to enact which is
>> different from blood magic and yada yada yada... what's magic is
>> affecting and area, perhaps at a distance, with an effect, and often
>> with force intent on causing damage and whateverelse is lumped into
>> the idea of the basic units on "Magic".
>> I'm not talking about being "right" or comparing ideas so much as
>> trying to point out that a LOT of core concepts are a bit... shaky
>> objectively speaking and I think that the shared participation in
>> what's in effect a story when the play is through is a major factor in
>> why a tabletop face to face soul rubbing RPGing gets a nod as a valid
>> form of artistic expression albeit it's hard to say how limited the
>> potential might be... and la la la, who knows? Still from that
>> approach I find a clear expression of the basic "building blocks"
>> helps in focusing each different Players visualization of what's
>> happening into that shared gestalt of play.
>> Uhhhh game as model railroad. There's the top of the model and there's
>> underneath the model and both are needed for the displays that attract
>> the largest number of peoples attention... or describe the target
>> interest group better if going that way with it the idea being not
>> having a bunch of scenery guys show up to the experimental wiring
>> wingding... not as likely to have everybody enjoy the focus that
>> way...
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 9:19 PM, David Bofinger
>> <bofinger.david@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On second thoughts add:
>> >
>> > - SUMMON PROOTWADDLE (C: IQ 7, ST 1/1) Summons a prootwaddle [S
>> > T 10, DX
>> > 10, IQ 6, MA 10, carries two-handed maul 1+1, 1-3 unarmed in HTH] to
>> fig
>> > ht
>> > for the caster.
>> >
>> >
>> > and modify:
>> >
>> > - UNREALISTIC IMAGE (C: IQ 7, ST 1/-) Creates a translucent 1 hex
>> image
>> > that wouldn't normally fool anyone. Last 12 turns. Can be disbelieve
> d
>> on
>> > 2
>> > vs IQ. Can be as effective, or almost as effective, as a normal Imag
> e
>> sp
>> > ell
>> > in difficult seeing conditions (fog, etc.), if the creature being
>> simula
>> > ted
>> > happens to be translucent, or if the observer is a prootwaddle.
>> >
>> > The spells are IQ 7, not IQ 1. Probably should be a space between IQ an
> d
>> 7.
>> > The idea is that an ordinary prootwaddle can't learn them, but one of
>> those
>> > rare freakish prootwaddle geniuses can.
>> >
>> > --
>> > David
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 1 December 2015 at 15:05, David Bofinger <bofinger.david@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I think animals should have a sort of IQ crippleware. It can do some o
> f
>> >> what IQ does, willpower and perception for instance, but not everythin
> g.
>> >> And they have instinctive talents like Alertness.
>> >>
>> >> My IQ 7 spells are:
>> >>
>> >> - BLUNT WEAPON (T: IQ7, ST 1/-) A blunt weapon does 1 point less
>> >> damage. A weapon can be blunted up to 5 times, subsequent uses of t
> he
>> > spell
>> >> have no effect. Blunting is a permanent effect and can be corrected
>> by
>> >> Repair or use of a whetstone. Ineffective against weapons that are
>> alr
>> > eady
>> >> blunt.
>> >> - FOG (C: IQ7, ST 1/-) Fills one hex with a magical fog that somewh
> at
>> >> obscures vision. -2 DX for missiles per hex of fog, and -2 DX if
>> attac
>> > king
>> >> into or out of it. Anyone in or entering the fog also becomes
>> slightly
>> >> damp. Lasts 12 turns, or less in wind.
>> >> - KILL RAT (T: IQ7, ST 1/-) Causes 1 point of damage. Does get
>> stopped
>> >> by armour.
>> >> - LITERACY (S: IQ7, ST 2/-) Allows the caster to read and write any
>> >> languages he knows, but reduces his IQ to 6 and disorders his commo
> n
>> s
>> > ense.
>> >> The spell lasts one minute: long enough to, for instance, write a
>> slog
>> > an on
>> >> his own or another prootwaddle's body. The negative effects of the
>> spe
>> > ll,
>> >> however, pretty much guarantee the slogan will be bizarre at best a
> nd
>> >> gibberish at worst.
>> >> - MAGIC ROCK (M: IQ7, ST V/-) Creates and flings a magic rock to
>> >> damage a single target. Does 1D-3 (minimum 0) for each ST point use
> d
>> t
>> > o
>> >> cast.
>> >> - PROOT! (T: IQ7, ST 1/-) Makes a loud “Proot! Proo-oot!ï
> ¿½â‚¬
>> > noise –
>> >> louder than a prootwaddle can make. Prootwaddles find the sound
>> reassu
>> > ring.
>> >> Non-prootwaddles find it irritating.
>> >> - PUSH / PULL (T: IQ7, ST 2/-) Victim must roll 3 vs DX, or 4 vs ST
> ,
>> >> victim's choice. If he fails he must step directly away from (for
>> push
>> > ) or
>> >> toward (for pull) the caster, or fall down. (As though forced to
>> retre
>> > at.)
>> >> Can also be used to push around inanimate objects, or even friends.
>> >> - SPEED HAIR (T: IQ7, ST 3/-) For the next day the target's hair
>> >> (wherever on body) grows at twice the normal rate.
>> >> - SUMMON HOUSE CAT (C: IQ7, ST 1/1) Summons a House Cat [ST 4, DX 1
> 4,
>> >> IQ 5, MA 14. 1-2 in HTH only, -3 DX for enemies to hit it] to fight
>> fo
>> > r the
>> >> caster.
>> >> - SUMMON VERMIN (T: IQ7, ST 1/1) Summons vermin to fight for the
>> >> caster, of a kind with which the caster is familiar: rats, bats,
>> piran
>> > has,
>> >> piranhakeets, scuttles or something similar at GM discretion. Roll
>> one
>> > die
>> >> for the number, -1 if the environment is not really suitable, -2 if
>> hi
>> > ghly
>> >> unsuitable, -1 for bats, -2 for piranhakeets.
>> >> - THICKSKINNED (T: IQ7, ST 2/-) Target's skin becomes thick and
>> >> leathery, it stops 2 hits but the target suffers -1 DX.
>> >> - UNREALISTIC IMAGE (C: IQ7, ST 1/-) Creates a translucent 1 hex
>> image
>> >> that wouldn't normally fool anyone. Last 12 turns. Can be disbeliev
> ed
>> > on 2
>> >> vs IQ. In difficult seeing conditions (fog, etc.) can be almost as
>> >> effective as a regular Image. Also effective if the creature being
>> >> simulated happens to be translucent.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> David
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 1 December 2015 at 13:23, Jay Carlisle <maou.tsaou@gmail.com> wrote
> :
>> >>
>> >>> Agreed David... working up a basic Google.doc for each stat as I
>> >>> currently have worked up. In a 3 stat system each stat needs to do
>> >>> more than a single task and I use IQ as a measure of perception and a
> s
>> >>> a measure of how effective a Figure or Unit can be at micro-managing
>> >>> its time which in effect allows more Followers/Talents/Orders to be
>> >>> carried the higher the IQ. Orders are in effect Talents learned as a
>> >>> Unit and able to be executed en mass and the above is more a rule of
>> >>> thumb guide to what kind of Orders might be expected from a Unit of
>> >>> whathaveyou rather than trying to pin individual IQ's per say...
>> >>> although the point about the monkey is quite interesting... assuming
>> >>> communication was possible such that an Order set was able to be
>> >>> established and the monkey was hip to thinking like a human of course
> .
>> >>> Plant's as individuals may not influence on a Melee scale of action
>> >>> but the idea of a bio-region of plants being in a network may allow
>> >>> some influence on such activity? Agent Orange? IDK... How much does
>> >>> swimming have to do with smart?
>> >>> Great points to mull over Sir, I'd love to see anything You might hav
> e
>> >>> to hand on IQ7 spells by the way... no worries though.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 5:23 PM, David Bofinger
>> >>> <bofinger.david@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> >> IQ
>> >>> >> 0 >> >> 1 >> >> 2 >> >> 3 >> >> 4 >> >> 5 >> >> 6 >> >> 7 >> >> 8
>> >> >> 9 >> >> 10 >> >
>> >>> > TL;DR but I picked this up skimming. My first instinct is that it's
>> go
>> > t
>> >>> to
>> >>> > be wrong. By these definitions a fighter who owned a pet monkey mig
> ht
>> > be
>> >>> > well advised to let it handle the thinking.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > IQ 7 lets you buy weapon skills. I don't know if anyone's taught a
>> >>> monkey
>> >>> > to fence, but I would guess someone in a circus has tried so probab
> ly
>> >>> they
>> >>> > failed.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Great apes will occasionally use clubs but that doesn't require a
>> >>> talent.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Some apes have been taught e.g. sign language but that has no IQ
>> >>> threshold
>> >>> > unless you call it literacy in which case it's IQ 8.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Maybe chimps are IQ 4 to 6? That leaves prootwaddles slightly smart
> er
>> >>> than
>> >>> > most chimps which seems right.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Birds vary a lot. Some birds, mostly corvids and parrots, are reall
> y
>> >>> quite
>> >>> > smart, probably maxing out at IQ 5 or 6. On the other hand ratites
>> ten
>> > d
>> >>> to
>> >>> > be idiots.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Dolphins aren't as smart as popularly imagined.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Working at the trailing edge of intellect reminds me of when I wrot
> e
>> u
>> > p
>> >>> IQ
>> >>> > 7 spells for prootwaddle wizards. Magic Rock!
>> >>> >
>> >>> > --
>> >>> > David
>> >>> >
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