Re: (TFT) Madison Traditional Gaming.

[Jay Carlisle <maou.tsaou@gmail.com>]

Poor aborted system never reached full fruition...

Interplay 2, p. 5

The following were requested from designers:

TFT Mounted Combat Microgame
TFT Ship Combat Microgame (see Interplay 6, below)
TFT Religious Rules Module
TFT Buildings Rules
TFT Flying Microgame
TFT Campaign Guides

Interplay 3, p. 4

DRAGONSLAYER (possibly became DRAGONS OF THE UNDEREARTH, in the LORDS
OF THE UNDEREARTH boardgame vein)
HIGH NOON (TFT western RPG, see TFT: WILD WEST in Interplay 2, p. 13)
IN THE NAME OF JUSTICE (TFT superhero RPG)
SUPERTANK series (HELLTANK and HELLTANK DESTROYER only two done)

Interplay 3, p. 16

AGAIN, DANGEROUS AIR-EATERS (3rd game)
BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE AIR-EATERS (4th and final game)

Interplay 6, p. 1-2

TFT ship combat module along the lines of RAMSPEED
STARLEADER: WARSHIPS
CONQUERORS OF UNDEREARTH (combination Microquest-Microgame)

from http://www.gamecabinet.com/info/Metagaming2.html
see for what became of the other two <blank> lords modules

On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Edward Kroeten
<ekroeten@farmersagent.com> wrote:
> I like the advanced stuff better, but as everyone on this group will tell
>  you, you will need some house rules to make it what you want.
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>  ------ Original Message ------
>    Received: 11:05 AM PST, 12/01/2015
>    From: Jay White <riskoridan@hotmail.com>
>    To: "tft@brainiac.com" <tft@brainiac.com>
>    Subject: (TFT) Madison Traditional Gaming.
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>      I have a question for everyone. I am in a gaming group at the local
> game s
>        tore and we meet every Tuesday evening. What we do is several of u
> s are GM
>        s, actually anyone can GM, and about every four months or so we sw
> itch
>        game systems. The only requirement is that the system be pre-2K. I
>  have b
>        een running MERP. And am considering running TFT in the new "seaso
> n" start
>        ing in January.
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>        Would it be better to run basic Melee/Wizard or could/should I jum
> p right i
>        nto TFT/ITL? I have been playing TFT since the time of the Beginni
> ng, th
>        e '80s... Just would like some thoughts/ideas...
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>        Jay White (the other Jay)
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>        > Subject: Re: (TFT) Shields and Feats.
>        > From: rick_ww@lightspeed.ca
>        > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 10:22:10 -0800
>        > To: tft@brainiac.com
>        >
>        > Hi David,
>        > Thanks for the comments.
>        >
>        > Two handed weapons used to do one extra point of damage.
>        > In my revised weapon list they usually do 3 extra points of
>        > damage. (The exception is pole weapons. A two handed pole
>        > weapon does +2 damage, but then gets a x 1.5 multiplier if
>        > it charges closing the distance by 3 hexes.)
>        >
>        > I have added lots of talents some of which come on the even
>        > number of IQ points, (e.g. IQ 10, 12, etc.). However, to make
>        > talents easier to find, prerequisites are 2 IQ lower than the
>        > more advanced talents. This means that given that Shield is
>        > IQ 7, then advanced shield talents will fall at IQ 9 and 11.
>        > (I've added so many talents, that this rule is actually fairly
>        > important to help people remember where to find talents.)
>        >
>        > We will have to agree to disagree about making an IQ 8
>        > fighter obsolete. I feel that a barely trained fighter SHOULD
>        > be beaten by highly skilled adversaries. I am not troubled
>        > that many of the advanced fighting skills are higher IQ than
>        > 8. That is how the TFT system is set up. If you wanted to
>        > grab a bunch of my talents, but make them all IQ 8, it would
>        > not trouble me.
>        >
>        > The last edition of D&D that I played much was 2nd, which
>        > was before feats, so I can't comment much on them. But if
>        > you were to write up a bunch of feats, I would read them
>        > with interest.
>        >
>        > In D&D you get more feats with higher levels. Would your
>        > feats be based on buying DX and ST (but not IQ), or would
>        > you have another system?
>        >
>        > Warm regards, Rick.
>        >
>        >
>        > On 2015-12-01, at 1:25 AM, David Bofinger wrote:
>        > > If you make shields much better, you need to make two-handed w
> eapons
>        much
>        > > better as well. Or one-handed weapons worse. Probably a bit of
>  both.
>        > >
>        > > Caveat: This is based on what I've seen of Rick's advanced wea
> pon talen
>        ts,
>        > > which might have changed since I saw them.
>        > >
>        > > Rick, you seem to like putting all your combat expertise talen
> ts (shi
>        eld,
>        > > weapons) at IQ 9, 11. I'm not sure why you do that but it has
> a coupl
>        e of
>        > > effects I suspect are undesirable. First, IQ 9 is only just ab
> ove the
>        hard
>        > > deck of IQ 8 so it makes the classic IQ 8 fighter pretty much
> obsolete.
>        The
>        > > benefits of IQ 9 talents greatly outweigh the cost of 1 point
> so IQ 8 i
>        s no
>        > > longer a sweet spot. As an example:
>        > >
>        > > Fighter ST 12 DX 12 IQ 8 [Knife, Sword, Shield, Running, +3 @
> I
>        Q 8]
>        > > broadsword, small shield: 2+0, aDX 12, stops 1, parries on 12
> (
>        10%), MA 12.
>        > >
>        > > Fighter ST 11 DX 12 IQ 9: [Knife, Sword, Shield, Improved Swor
> d
>        , Shield 2,
>        > > +2 @ IQ 9] shortsword, small shield: 2+1, aDX 12, stops 3, par
> r
>        ies on 14
>        > > (22%), MA 10.
>        > >
>        > > OK, it's not absolutely one-sided, but I know who I'd rather b
> ack i
>        n a
>        > > fight. It's a pretty huge gulf in capability. Two-handed weapo
> ns also t
>        ake
>        > > a hit.
>        > >
>        > > I don't think the simple fighter should be made obsolete. Have
>  to compe
>        te,
>        > > sure, but not get badly outcompeted by obvious analogous desig
> ns.
>        > >
>        > > Generally it tends to make the odd-IQ levels more useful than
> the even
>        > > IQ-levels, for anyone with an interest in melee combat. That's
>  alread
>        y true
>        > > to some extent in the standard rules, because the best stuff i
> s, IM
>        O,
>        > > somewhat more common at odd IQ than even, at least at lower IQ
>  levels
>        . IQ 8
>        > > has Seamanship/Boating/Horsemanship which might be useful but
> is highly
>        > > situational and anyway that doesn't count because we don't get
>  to choos
>        e
>        > > whether we have IQ 8. IQ 9 has Missile Weapons which can easil
> y be real
>        ly
>        > > important, IQ 10 has Fencing but that's not a huge deal, IQ 11
>  has
>        Two
>        > > Weapons which can be quite a big deal (along with three critic
> al party
>        > > skills, it's a big skill monkey level), IQ 12 has nothing much
> , I
>        Q 13 has
>        > > nothing much, IQ 14 has the high level unarmed combat abilitie
> s thoug
>        h they
>        > > cost a fortune. Add in your special combat talents and I think
>  characte
>        rs
>        > > will be putting their IQ up two at a time.
>        > >
>        > > (Another feature of your weapon talents is that IQ 9 to IQ 11
> is a smal
>        ler
>        > > jump than IQ 11 to IQ 13 so characters tend to stop at IQ 9 or
>  IQ 13. I
>        > > think.)
>        > >
>        > > I'm not sure what the answer is to this. But I sort of like th
> e idea th
>        at
>        > > the special abilities should be a bit more like what D&D calls
>  feats an
>        d
>        > > less just "add two". Actually, my current theory of RPG design
>  is to
>        ditch
>        > > as many numbers as possible and describe everything by charact
> ers havin
>        g
>        > > feats. Because feats are more fun than numbers.
>        > >
>        > > --
>        > > David
>        > >
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