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Re: (TFT) TFT Tourney??
Go with TFT! I run TFT games that have 30+ miniature figures to a side as
my standard games. Its easy.
You should decide a couple of things up front.
1) How long do you intend this game to play?
4 hours, 8 hours, 12 hours, a second weekend day?
My experience is that with 20+ players, it will
take about 4 hours to go through 12 rounds (1 minute.)
2) Is this an everyone for himself or a team effort game?
3) Is this a free-for-all or a storyline? Are you playing
4) Will this (or any of the characters) go onto a campaign?
5) You're playing a miniatures oriented game.
Are you playing large terrained board with rulers or
a giant hex map? Is the 'dungeon' indoors or outdoors?
If you run a short game, (8-12 hours for 20 gamers), you probably don't have
to worry about drop-outs, but you're probably not going to have more than a
cursory story. A 4-8 hour game is a free-for-all. You can get a better
story going for a full weekend game, but beware of drop-outs who take
probably leave gaps in your story element when they leave. If you think
this will become a campaign of sorts, you'll want to allow more than just
weapon and combat talents.
I recommend 25mm miniatures and terrain and not hexmaps. Use one inch
equals one hex for measuring. If the guys aren't used to hex movement, take
them aside and using a hex-map, show them how movement is supposed to work.
Have them do a quick fight to get the feel for combat. Let them figure out
movement without hexmap on their own.
I use a 'what you see is what you get' style of lead figures and terrain
(with some GM allowances.) If a knight is wearing plate and has a what
looks like a bastard sword, thats what it is. This is somewhat restrictive
as far as creativity, but when there are 40 figures on the board, its less
boggy. I nickname my character sheets according to prominent features on
the lead figure: Arm-Up, Crossbow, or Yellowjacket.
If you are running the "bad guys" you can do up eight characters to a sheet
by grouping your lead figures by combat scene: Lothro's five golbins and
ogre are on one sheet and fight as a unit, etc.
For the most part, I think Rick's views (8 Nov) were great.
*Use pre-generated characters for those TFT novices. Allow
veteran TFT players to make their own in advance modelled
after their favorite lead figure.
*Throw out HTH.
*Use Rick's "a bit more" talents suggestion UNLESS you're going
for a campaign down the line (then use full rules).
*Use Rick's Roll to Miss suggestions
*Use Rick's Stun suggestions
*Only TFT experience players are wizards EXCEPT if one of the
inexperienced wants to get one spell. Its a safe way to learn
how to play magic.
*Lots of healing potions. If you're doing an 8 hour game, there
may be one break in between a battle to heal. With healing
potion, you can quaff it down during the battle.
*Rick's 3 training emphasis are great.
*Go ahead and use pole weapons. They don't hinder the game.
There are many things that you are going to have to do to keep this game
going and keep these guys in line. I suggest:
1) Make a board with 12 numbered boxes to represent 1 minute
of gametime. Check off each new round. Write down any
significant info that needs to be kept track of.
2) Pull together in advance all the wizard type tricks that will
be thrown. Walls, Shadows, slippery floors, Fires,
7 hex fires, wolves, ILLUSIONS (that'll boggle you), etc.
How are you going to represent flying? I use a pizza
raisers that some pizza joints provide and a die for
determining hight. Unless you can figure out how to keep
track of invisibility, forget it.
3) I shorten action order to MAGIC AND MISSILES GO FIRST. It
may not be fair to some, but you as GM have to keep 20 players
hopping and this has helped me not get into arguments with
players stalling as they recalculate the next bow target, etc.
Second bow shots go after all else is done.
4) As a GM tool, I use an eighth inch wide three foot long dowel
as a pointer to attention, point things out, line of sight,
etc. I also use it as a sweeper to indicate from left to right
who is eligible at that moment to do magic/missiles.
5) Keep drilling on these guys to get their turn done and keep
up the pace. Its going to be slow for the other 19 players
so its your job to make the game happen.
6) I handle combats by groupings. If a group in the cornor is
isolated, handle that without worry of the other fights. If
you get out of the way all the little fights that don't
affect others, you will have an easier task on the big brawls.
Here is my two page outline of the game excerpted from Advanced Melee.
I've modified Action order and added a horseback rule. Just cut and paste
this into a Word document, clean up and print. BUT you must have an
ADVANCED MELEE there for the players to read about the details or you'll be
a) Combat takes place in turns, representing five seconds each. Distance is
usually measured in hexes. A hex is one inch.
b) During each turn, each figure may execute one "option" from the list
below. Each option consists of a movement, attack, defense or other
combination of options.
c) The options available to a figure depend on whether it is "engaged" or
Engaged - an engaged figure is one that is adjacent to an armed enemy
figure, and in one of that figure's front three hexes. The concept of
"engaged" is used to identify figures who are actually involved in combat,
and standing next to an enemy who endangers them physically. Thus a single
warrior cannot really engage a large dragon; the dragon can just walk past
him if it wants to. A knight in plate mail is not endangered by an unarmed
thirteen-year-old girl, so he is not engaged by her, but may walk through
her front hexes as though she were not there. A riding horse is not stopped
by a single figure, but is stopped by two enemies.* Rats, wasps, etc., do
not engage a figure, even when they attack.
d) During combat, events follow a strict sequence. NOTHING happens
simultaneously. Each movement or attack may effect the next one, and a
spell takes effect instantaneously when it succeeds.
I) TURN SEQUENCING
1) ROLL FOR INITIATIVE
Each player rolls a die. (High # goes first. Ties are rerolled, but keep
that initiative level) The winner may choose either to move his figure
first that turn, or to have the other players move their figures first. He
then goes last. Only the winner gets the choice. If the players are
cooperating with a leader, the leader can roll for the group. Certain
factors, such as surprise and TACTICS are added to the roll.
2) RENEW SPELLS
Each wizard who wants to renew one or more continuing type spell must now
subtract from his ST to power those spells.
The first player to move chooses ONE option for each of his figures, and
executes the MOVEMENT part (if any) of that option for each figure. How far
each figure may move depends on its movement allowance (MA) and the option
chosen. The second player then chooses options and moves all his own
figures the same way. And the next player...
All attacks, spell-castings, attempts to disbelieve, talks, etc. are carried
out. Figures act in order of their adjDX, highest first; ties are resovled
by die roll. For purposes of Missile, Thrown Weapons, & Spells, this roll
is on normal adjDX and not DX adjusted by distance.
*House Rules: Magic & Missiles go first by high adjDX. Then other stuff
5) FORCED RETREATS
Any figure which inflicted hits on an enemy with a PHYSICAL attack (staff,
wolf bites, etc) and took no hits itself that turn (from any source) may
retreat that enemy one hex in any direction to any vacant hex and EITHER
advance to the hex vacated by the enemy OR stand still (thus possibly
becoming disengaged.) Magical attacks, missile & thrown weapons, etc., do
NOT allow you to force a retreat.
If both sides still have figures to fight, begin the next turn. If not, it
becomes Flex Time (not the 5 second interval.)
*A rider charging by a fighter can place his horse where he wants past the
fighter. During combat, the rider can swing at one figure and all figures
can swing at the rider. Do that combat first. If rider is not knocked off
horse or horse isn?t injured, he stays at where he was initially placed. If
he is knocked off, etc., place him at that point immediately and continue
LIST OF OPTIONS
A figure may execute ONE option each turn, and may not mix actions from
different options. It is possible to change options.
The options marked with an asterisk (*) are available ONLY to disengaged
figures; engaged figures may NOT do these things. Other options are
available to all figures. For each option, the movement part is given
first, then the action part.
1) Stand still or move one hex and
a) attack with your ready weapon (or throw a weapon, or jab with a pole
weapon, or attempt HTH combat).
b) dodge* or defend.
c) drop to a kneeling or prone position, and/or fire a missile weapon.
NOTE: If you are engaged, you must drop the missile weapon after firing.
You cannot reload a missile weapon while you are engaged.
d) disengage. See explanation on Disengaging.
e) cast a spell. This applies to ANY kind of spell-casting.
f) disbelieve. Attempt to disbelieve any one figure or item which you think
is an illusion.
g) pick up dropped weapon. "Bend over" in the hex with the weapon, or
adjacent hex; pick it up & ready it.
h) stand up. Rise from a prone, kneeling, crawling, or knocked-down
position. You may take no other action that turn. A figure MUST take a
turn to stand before attacking, running, etc, but may cast a spell,
disbelieve, or crawl without standing up.
2) Move half your MA or less* (Note that engaged figures may only shift one
a) charge attack* (This is a running attack, giving a pole-weapon an
b) throw a weapon OR jab with a pole weapon.
d) drop to a kneeling or prone position.
e) attempt hand to hand (HTH) combat
3) Move more than half your MA, up to your full MA.* Take no other action
except for such things as jumping, attempting to scoop up a weapon, yelling,
4) Special Options
a) stand up from a KNEELING position and EITHER change weapons OR move up to
half your MA. (Note that an engaged figure may still only shift one hex.)
b) change weapons. If you are engaged, stand still or shift; drop your
weapon and/or shield and ready a new weapon and/or shield. If you are NOT
engaged, move up to two hexes, drop OR re-sling your ready weapon and/or
sheild, and ready a new weapon and/or shield. Note: any figure can use
this option to ready a new weapon if he has no ready weapon but has one at
his belt. Two disengaged figures within one hex can use this option to
exchange weapons. A kneeling figure may ready any weapon. A prone figure
must make a 3-die DX roll to ready a weapon.
5) Options for figures is hand-to-hand combat.
Finally, I suggest you check out the following on the June/July TFT Website:
30 June 1999 John Paul Bakshoian Troop Movement in TFT
6 July 1999 John Paul Bakshoian More About Troop Movement in TFT
From: "Brennan O'Brien" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: (TFT) TFT Tourney??
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 10:49:02 -0800 (PST)
I've been thinking about throwing a "Dungeon Crawl
Party" -- basically, get a WHOLE BUNCH of gamers
together and hack and slash their way through a
dungeon. Total meyham sort of thing. 20 gamers,
minatures oriented, he who survives with the most
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