Re: (TFT) 5 hits or more

["David O. Miller" <davidomiller@verizon.net>]

This brings up a point that came up during a game I had the good 
fortune to play with another member of this list recently. In all of 
the mircoquest versions of Melee it states that you stand up (after 
being knocked down) on your next turn, "during movement". In the 
advanced rules "during movement" is deleted leaving one to rationalize 
that you stand up on your DX as an option during combat. This 
completely changes the game in so many ways. In the old rules getting 
initiative was important so that you could (for example) stand up 
during movement and thus engage a pole weapon user to keep him from 
simply backing up one hex and then charging you again for double 
damage. If you play that a figure stands on his DX as the advanced 
rules seem to indicate then the pole weapon user will always be able to 
back up and re-charge a fallen figure no matter what (unless he's 
engaged to other standing figures of course). I personally feel that 
the "during movement" was an omission and a mistake from the advanced 
rules and play with the older rule. How do all of you play with this 
important inconsistency?

As for the DX drop we play that it happens on the next turn only. I've 
created "wound markers" as a play aid. On one side of the counter is a 
red hit symbol and on the other side it reads -2DX. When a figure takes 
5 or more hits in a single blow we place a wound marker next to the 
figure red side up and continue with the turn. At the end of the turn, 
after all force retreats, we turn all wound markers over revealing the 
-2DX and start the next turn. From that point on all of these figures 
operate at a -2DX to determine when they act in a turn, their chance to 
hit, saving rolls, etc. At the end of the turn we remove the counters 
showing -2DX and flip any red counters over. Now my reading of the 
rules indicates that is this is the way it is supposed to work and any 
alteration of this rule is a house rule. I understand how people 
rationalize that the figure would be in shock from the moment the wound 
occurs but I feel you are either double penalizing the lower DX figure 
and/or messing with the turn order by changing this.

Now I am not one of these gamers that has to rationalize every rule so 
that it more approximates real life. Game rules are in place to keep 
everything fair and consistent within the boundaries of the game 
mechanics. If I needed to, however, I could try to rationalize it like 
this; a person takes a minor wound in combat but still attacks at full 
DX in the heat of the moment. It is only a few seconds later that the 
shock of the wound takes effect and the person temporarily has his 
reflexes lowered. Of course seconds later he shakes it off and is back 
to full DX again. One can rationalize this stuff to death. I like the 
way the game flows with the way the rules are written. Therefore I vote 
for -2DX for the next turn only.

Of course the big reaction to injury is taking 8 or more hits (a much 
more devastating wound), causing one to completely fall down. We assume 
that this figure is indeed at a -2DX as well but since the rules state 
the only option available is to stand up (or stay down) there is no 
need to keep track of or even indicate this.

--David O. Miller



> I thnk that's the question: does "turn" mean next game turn or next 
> option. You seem to read it as option while others are reading it as 
> game turn. I think it could be played either way. Although, how would 
> you play it if a player received 8 points and was knocked down before 
> he acted? Would you allow him to stand up at his next option or wait 
> until the next game turn? Thanks.
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