Re: (TFT) Building

["Jay Carlisle" <selfinflicted_wounds@boardermail.com>]

Mr. Hyland

Thank you for some very insightful comments.

I agree with you that if the comunity is produceing a surplus then there is DEFENETLY profit going on.

Point one is that there is inevidably a small group of people in possistion to take advantage of that profit situation and unless these figures are Player Characters then they are vurnerable to 'New Followers'. 

Point two, (much more important) is what I call the "pull it out my @$$" style of GMing.

By this I mean, seriously folks, where are all these swords comming from? A Blacksmith aint no farmer. Seeing as how he still has to eat it'd seem to me that he'd spend over 60% of his time supporting the 60+% of the population that feeds him with the tools they need to keep feeding him. How much metal is in Elyntia? Exactally how much money is in curculatiuon in the Dutchy of Kel? If all that your players are intrested in is "killing rats" to get ahead then all this bull_ I'm spouting is superflourious. I think we can do more...........

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John J Hyland" <johnnyboytmm@juno.com>
> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 00:48:20 GMT
> 
> 
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> The above described town is only self sustaining, no profit.
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> A littleeconomic nit picking here.
> 
> That is not entirely true.  No agricultural exports maybe, but 
> there is profit there.  The farmers raise more than they consume, 
> and sell the rest, so theygenerate a profit.  The other townsfolk 
> who buy and consume the produce do something to earn at least 
> enough to buy the food (else they would starve, or have to abandon 
> their trades and grow food themselves) Technically, if they were 
> rational actors they would only engage in another activity if it 
> were more profitable than farming, but most people are not that 
> rational.
> 
> A town such as this would be a pretty robust economic scene due to 
> some real productive agriculture it could support a large trade and 
> administration  class.  Or a warrior class in dangerous areas.
> 
> I kinda like the idea though, it gives a sense of the extended 
> community to support a 1000 person town.
> 
> John
> 
> -- "Jay Carlisle" <selfinflicted_wounds@boardermail.com> wrote:
> 
> For generalization we can assume that one family of farmers (2 parents & 4
> kids) can support 4 non-farmers.
> 
> With irrigation it takes about 250 acres to support those 10 people per
> year. This area is approximately equal to 10 city blocks. We'll call this
> unit 1 Farm.
> 
> To support a town of 1000 people it takes 1500 farmers working 250 farms or
> 62,500 acres. These farmers would require 250 houses and there would have to
> be about 175 homes in the town proper to house the populace. Total 425
> Houses and 250 Farms.
> 
> Assuming 1 house is 2 megahexes and 1 farm has about 1 megahex of associated
> structures this is about 1100 megahexes of buildings that would take about
> 53,900 man days of work. This is almost 150 years of nonstop work for 1
> person. For the entire population it would take about 3 weeks to build this
> town. (assuming they all know Building)
> 
> The above described town is only self sustaining, no profit.


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