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(TFT) Supporting TFT
SORRY! I did not mean to start an argument. Aki, and others, thank you
very much for defending DCG. David, thank you for your perspective on this
forum. As a forum, it's important to exchange ideas and views.
David is right about several things, one of them being that I went into this
with eyes open. DCG is truly a labor of love, and not necessarily run as a
business, though in 2012 (finally) we covered our operating expenses.
There are three significant rewards to creating the DCG adventures. The
first is when my eight year-old son will actually leave his computer games
to sit down at the table and play TFT/DCG adventures with old Dad! The
second is when Bret and I get together and plan adventures or review
submissions and prepare them for release. The third, which is perhaps the
most moving, is when a complete stranger sends me an email, saying that he
really enjoys our games! Those three things are priceless, and cannot be
quantified by money.
I specifically do NOT advertise our games on this forum, because I view this
forum with a bit of a nostalgic sanctity. Perhaps as a result of that, most
of the people on the forum do not buy our games, and the vast majority of
our customers don't even know that this forum exists.
DCG *does* support TFT though. Once you run out of the old MicroQuests,
there's nowhere else to go. We continue to produce adventures for the
system, which keeps TFT alive. That we ask for people to purchase the
games, allows us to pay our excellent artists for the cover art, their
internal art, piece art, and the manuscripts that we are fortunate enough to
have people submmit.
That being said, I will address David's request to get stuff for free. If
you are on this forum, you want free adventures (in addition to our free
downloadable adventures), and you can document current financial duress,
please email me off-line and we will stuff to you.
Anyway, once again, I apologize for starting an argument--I didn't mean to
do so. We're all here because we love TFT, and the memories of what it did
for us when we were young.
I would suggest that if you really want to support TFT, play it with your
kids and nephews and nieces :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: tft-admin@brainiac.com [mailto:tft-admin@brainiac.com] On Behalf Of
Aki Koyama
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 19:24
To: tft@brainiac.com
Subject: Re: (TFT) Supporting TFT with Nostalgia Goggles On
I think you're missing the point. If George Dew's goal was to make money
with this endeavor, he would have quit a long time ago. This is a labor of
love for him.
I don't think it's foolish to do something out of love for the game. He is
charging us the cost of making the product. I am sure that he is not
compensated for his time. I don't think that it's very constructive to call
an effort to update TFT products to today's standards a "foolish endeavor"
just because he is charging a fee for the product.
His products
are what brought me into the TFT fold again and made we want to join this
listserv.
I think any effort, whether a fee is charged or not, that encourages the use
of TFT is worthwhile. His product is "real" and it is out there for the
public to look into. In fact, he's doing the very thing that you are
encouraging the rest of the members of this listserv to do.
________________________________
From: David Jackson <azog@bellsouth.net>
To:
tft@brainiac.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 5:42 PM
Subject: (TFT)
Supporting TFT with Nostalgia Goggles On
Oh, it's very realistic. After a
number of years, look at this list, and it's relatively low volume. The TFT
market has gone down to almost nothing, and I can guarantee that if every
single person on this list bought products from Dark City Games, it wouldn't
even be -half- of $30K. Probably a lot less.
So, yes, it's a foolish
endeavor. I think George Dew knew that going into it. Most of the people
on
this list already own those TFT products that they are likely to buy. TFT
clones abound, yet none of them have grabbed any significant market share -
or
even enough to even be a blip on the radar. This isn't a slam again George
Dew, Dark City Games, or anyone.
However, it is a reminder to not let
nostalgia cloud your ability to see clearly. Which we ALL on this list have
a
habit of doing.
Personally, I still think that TFT is a solid system - but
certainly not in it's current form. I think a version could be imagined
that
would be better than every fantasy roleplaying game on the market now. But
that would require lots of art, a few solid designers with vision, a lot of
time, but mostly - MOSTLY - a significant sum of money spent on marketing
(including a professionally designed website). If I had $30K to invest in
such a project, at least half of that would be marketing alone. The other
half would be art.
If we are going to "support TFT", we have to quit
isolating ourselves and get activated on some project which will further the
TFT cause. I think getting mired in trying to make a business of it will
just
slow things down.
David Jackson
On 9/10/2013 6:02 PM, Aki Koyama wrote:
>
"This is such a
> niche-of-a-niche-of-a-niche market, approaching it as a
business venture is
> foolish."
>
> This comment is just not very nice and
not "realistic" for the
> stated reasons. As I stated above, if you don't
want to buy the products,
> don't buy them but don't insult the people who are
producing these adventures
> for us when they are aware that it is not a
"business venture" and taking a
> monetary loss for our enjoyment.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From:
> David Jackson
<azog@bellsouth.net>
> To: tft@brainiac.com
> Sent: Tuesday,
> September 10,
2013 11:42 AM
> Subject: Re: (TFT) Supporting TFT
>
> I knew that
> my
opinion would not be a popular one, but it is a realistic
> one.
>
> On
>
9/10/2013 11:38 AM,
> George Dew wrote:
>> I usually just sit back and enjoy
> people's comments and viewpoints, but I
>> want to clarify something here.
>>
>>
> Dark City Games IS supporting TFT! If you purchase a game from DCG,
what
> you pay for goes towards the physical components, the artwork, and the
> stories.
>> Since it's inception, Dark City Games has lost about $30,000.
>
How much more
>> could you love a hobby that that?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
-----Original
> Message-----
>> From: tft-admin@brainiac.com
[mailto:tft-admin@brainiac.com] On
> Behalf Of
>> David Jackson
>> Sent:
Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:18
>> To:
> tft@brainiac.com
>> Subject: Re:
(TFT) TFT: Quest For A Cure
>>
>> Not meaning to
> be contrary here, but this
isn't precisely supporting TFT.
>> It's supporting
> Nick and Dark City
Games. If that's what you want to do, go
>> for it.
>>
>> I
> prefer a
free-for-everyone approach to TFT. I like the fact that
>> -nobody-
> owns
TFT. I like the fact that any rule written for TFT now can
>> only exist
> as
a modification to the canonical TFT. And I especially like the
>
community-driven content for TFT.
>> This is such a
>
niche-of-a-niche-of-a-niche market, approaching it as a
>> business venture is
> foolish. And if you are doing it purely for the love of
>> the hobby, and
>
aren't considering financial returns - do it for free.
>> That's my 2 cents.
>>
>> David Jackson
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