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Re: (TFT) Pole weapons in Rick's campaign - Play styles.
Yes ranged weapons ate the French lunch at Crecy, Tours and Agincourt, bu
t the French were foolish and not organized in those battles either.
As for the Italian wars lots of plotting and switching sides too. With
each side just as bad as the other.
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------ Original Message ------
Received: 10:35 AM PDT, 10/21/2015
From: Jeffrey Vandine <jlv61560@yahoo.com>
To: "tft@brainiac.com" <tft@brainiac.com>
Subject: Re: (TFT) Pole weapons in Rick's campaign - Play styles.
I will concur that formations DO make a big difference. A lone pole
ar
m person has to have their act together to fight someone else on t
he ground
(though there's no doubt in my military mind that they would do mu
ch bette
r against mounted opponents -- say, has anyone thought about that
yet?).
Still, I just don't think sword armed infantry can just "stroll th
rough" th
eir ranks without getting some serious damage along the way. (I m
ight
also note that pikemen were traditionally equipped with a short sw
ord of t
heir own for those specific situations.)
Finally, crossbowman would have wiped out sword armed chappies too
on the f
ield at St. Jakob -- when you're getting turned into a pincushion
by long r
ange fire, it doesn't matter much WHAT kind of weapon you're luggi
ng along!
;-)
Let's face it, the Italian wars period (Condottieri) was just not
as intere
sting historically to a whole lot of us. Partially because we don
't g
et exposed to it much in school, and partially because it's just t
oo confus
ing for most of us to spend the necessary time to sort all of it o
ut.
So no one should feel bad about not being familiar with the issues
of the
day!
From: Edward kroeten <ekroeten@farmersagent.com>
To: tft@brainiac.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 11:44 PM
Subject: Re: (TFT) Pole weapons in Rick's campaign - Play styles.
Swiss pikemen were badass no doubt in st jakob (sp) in 1444 1500 o
f them at
tacked 30k of French troops routed the cavalry and killed 3000. Be
fore the
foolish French leader Louis XI had his crossbow men and infantry w
ipe them
out. В Less than 70 pikemen survived.
What I am saying is that when not massed they were not as good. Th
ey were c
lose order troops.В
Again not trying to start a fight or anything.В
В He is right about one thing I don't like the Italian wars p
erio
d much so I В may discount it a little because of the quality
of
troops they were fighting.
Sent via the Samsung GALAXY SВ®4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartph
one
-------- Original message --------
From: Jeffrey Vandine <jlv61560@yahoo.com>
Date: 10/20/2015 10:32 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: tft@brainiac.com
Subject: Re: (TFT) Pole weapons in Rick's campaign - Play styles.
Mostly because I'm getting a lot of DNS errors thanks to Hughesnet
's incred
ibly bad DNS server.В As a result, I'm not able to do the re
sear
ch I w
anted to do to address some of his points.В In short, it's n
ot t
hat I'
m ignoring them, but that I'm unable to respond adequately to them
at this
time, and rather than just declare him wrong, I want to find out i
f he real
ly is, and provide some information that he can examine in turn.
For example, I seem to recall that Swedish pikemen did very well a
gainst Ca
tholic forces during the early part of the thirty years war, but a
m unable
to give specific examples because of my inadequate internet connec
tivity.
В Likewise, I recall several instances of Swiss Pikemen dest
royi
ng ene
my armies lock, stock and barrel -- thus their reputation as the b
est infan
try in the world (and their continuing role as guards at the Vatic
an, albei
t with more modern weapons for non-ceremonial activities nowadays)
.В
B
ut, again, am unable to give specifics at this time.
Still, the fact that I've had to keep it generic (and therefore ha
ven't add
ressed his comments in the detail they deserve, since I believe he
deserves
to have them so addressed just as he has responded in detail to me
), I har
dly think qualifies as "acrimonious."В Or even as "talking p
ast
each o
ther."В Really, I'm just marking time until the darn DNS ser
ver
comes
back on line.
Of course, if you are the moderator, and feel this has reached a p
oint of n
o return, I will cheerfully acquiesce to your decision and refrain
from fur
ther comment.
В В В В В From: Rick Smi
th <rick_ww@lightspeed.ca>
To: tft@brainiac.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: (TFT) Pole weapons in Rick's campaign - Play styles.
В В
Hi Jeff,
В Perhaps Acrimonious is the wrong word, but it is starting
to f
eel li
ke
you're talking past each other and using and reusing the same argu
ments.
For example, infantry doing well against Swiss pikes has been brou
ght
up a couple times, but that point has not been acknowledged or add
ressed.
Warm regards, Rick
On 2015-10-20, at 9:22 PM, Jeffrey Vandine wrote:
> I actually haven't found the debate to be acrimonious at all. It
seems to
m
> e that folks have put forward their thoughts, frequently providi
ng exampl
es
> from history that have guided their personal positions, and that
others h
a
> ve offered different insights. No one has
call
ed anyone else
a name,
> and everyone seems to be working to try and understand one anoth
er's posi
ti
> ons.Г‚В
>
> Are you seeing something different here? B
ecau
se I don't find
, for ex
> ample, my exchange with Ed regarding pole weapons historically s
peaking,
to
> be anything other than informative and enjoyable.Г‚
В-
- He and I ma
y have
> different view points, but we've made our points maturely and po
litely to
o
> ne another as far as I can tell.
> Ed, do you feel like we've been acrimonious towards one another?
> v/rJeff
>
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