Re: (TFT) Daily Life...

[Rick Smith <rsmith@lightspeed.ca>]

Hi all,

If the Christian church never existed, some other
moral standard would have come to serve in its 
place.  (Perhaps based on Celtic models?)

Perhaps it is time to agree to disagree and move 
on?

Warm regards, Rick.

On Mon, 2011-03-10 at 20:24 -0400, gem6868 wrote:
> note what I said was very specific: "YOU'D have no sense of morality 
> whatsoever if it wasn't for "the church" and it's Judeo-Christian beliefs." 
> If you're "from the West", that what your morale upbringing is descended 
> from, unless you can prove you're an "original morale thinker".  I 
> personally don't think I've any original morale thinking either, I just 
> struggle with application like everyone else.
> 
> If you'uns want to extol the virtues of somewhere else in the world, knock 
> yourselves out.  At least have grown up or resided there, however.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Joey Beutel
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 8:04 PM
> To: tft@brainiac.com
> Subject: Re: (TFT) Daily Life...
> 
> On Oct 3, 2011, at 7:21 PM, Mark Tapley wrote:
> 
> > At 18:38 -0400 10/3/11, gem6868 wrote:
> >> If I really wanted to get your sheep, I'd remind you that you'd  have no
> >> sense of morality whatsoever if it wasn't for "the church" and it's
> >> Judeo-Christian beliefs.
> >
> > Hm. That depends on how you define "morality"; certainly if Judeo- 
> > Christian morality is the only one that qualifies, the statement is  true 
> > (but tautological).
> >
> And what about just plain old "judeo-"? Not to mention morality being
> present, based upon our knowledge of ancient societies, to one extent
> or another morality has been with humans since before civilization at
> all.
> > Feudal Japan had codes of behavior, to which the word "morality"  could 
> > easily be applied. Harsh ones in some respects and not by any  means the 
> > same as the Judeo-Christian ones, but serving many of the  same functions.
> >
> > Hindu India had codes of behavior, same notation.  The Pacific  islanders 
> > had tabus, same notation. Many American Indian tribes (not  all) had codes 
> > of behavior, same notation.
> >
> > Judeo-Christian morality has a lot to recommend it, and I am  grateful for 
> > its legacy, but it's by no means impossible that we'd  have something 
> > comparable without the Church.
> Indeed, look at all the people who follow Abrahamic morality (I find
> this term to be more proper, given that Judaism is also 'judeo
> christian,' though not christian, and islam is, for most muslims,
> basically the same ideas) that have never had anything to do with
> catholicism.
> >
> > -- 
> > - Mark     210-379-4635
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