Re: (TFT) Man To Man & GURPS - was Re: (TFT) The return of Ogre - Rick did something silly.

[De Des <denisdesharnais@gmail.com>]

I never did GURPS, but did DnD, TFT, TnT, Traveller, Top Secret,
FringeWorthy (very briefly) and Runequest.  I think my faves for mechanics
were TFT and Runequest.  I was entirely ignorant of GURPS, but I suspect I
would have enjoyed it.  It had the mechanics aspects, with a backstory and
rich detail that was missing from TFT and Runequest, but was very much a
part of World of Greyhawk and ADnD (flawed though they were).


On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 3:02 PM, gem6868 <gem6868@verizon.net> wrote:

> dang, pretty harsh.  While I do vaguely remember that fighting was an
> important part of D&D when we played it in the 80s, I distinctly remember
> that the rest of life was there, too, including negotiating, etc.  I think
> the Fineous Fingers cartoon was a pretty good sendup of the D&D violence,
> as they attacked pretty much everything, including harmless peasants from
> whom they asked directions.
>
> That being said, in late high school and early college, we did end up
> playing GURPS, entirely at the motivation of one of our more creative
> geniuses, who even had himself in his story as a slightly deranged NPC.
> Those were some good times.
>
> As the author notes, GURPS allows the GM to give ExPts for whatever is
> "good play" and I think lots of people noted that long ago in D&D.  But I
> guess the game's design is still something to kick around.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: De Des
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 2:20 PM
>
> To: tft@brainiac.com
> Subject: Re: (TFT) Man To Man & GURPS - was Re: (TFT) The return of Ogre -
> Rick did something silly.
>
> Ouch.  I remember when I was 11 or 12 years old playing DnD with the high
> school kids at the library; they were wanting actual role-playing, and I
> had my 9th level ranger with an intelligent vorpal bastard sword and my
> natural 18/00 strength (naturally) - I think the sword and I both had
> psionics - I kept getting switched to different groups, until finally I got
> stuck with a group of kids who were arguably even worse than I was.
> Literally, every game ended with them whipping their brightly-colored
> polyhedral dice at each other and screaming obscenities, then rolling
> around the floor in a general brawl.  I did a little soul-searching after
> that.  My playing and my GM-ing improved.  I still had my lapses, but I
> started seeing the value in characters who had flaws, and who sometimes
> didn't win.  So maybe the kill-'em-all guy came around too ... that is a
> kind of awesome "teaching moment" though.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Joe Hartley <jh@brainiac.com> wrote:
>
>  On Fri, 1 Aug 2014 11:05:36 -0400
>> De Des <denisdesharnais@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > It helps avoid the "hobgoblin holocaust"
>> > effect.
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/hey_wait_a_
>> minute/2008/03/orc_holocaust.html
>>
>> I liked this article, it explains to me why D&D never clicked with me.
>> While none of us are above a quick little dungeon crawl just for kicks,
>> the kill-em-all attitude wears real thin.
>>
>> One thing I remembered last night was that at one point in my gaming
>> group in high school, we realised the GM could deduct XP as well as
>> grant them.  That stupid move where you pressed the jolly, candy-like
>> button
>> and sprung the should-have-been-obvious trap?  Yeah, you lose a bunch of
>> points for that.
>>
>> We had a new guy come in once and he just killed everything in sight.
>> The GM improvised and had the party show up in a nursery.  Weapon comes
>> out,
>> monster baby parts flying everywhere but then oops! human babies in these
>> cradles, slashed to bits, followed by the arrival of (roll 2d-2) 8
>> policemen
>> who quickly drag him away.  The rest of the evening was spent playing
>> "Police attempt to transport the Graniteville Babykiller safely to gaol."
>>
>> I can't remember his character's original name, he became Babykiller and
>> it stuck.  This guy got more and more PO'ed as the evening went on and
>> left before his character actually died, because the NPC townspeople were
>> leaving off before actual death, and just beating the tar out of him, then
>> force-feeding him healing potions so they could beat the snot out of him
>> again.
>>
>> It turned into one of the most interesting nights of gaming ever, as
>> there were some really good twists thrown in and the main party had some
>> very interested situations, but the new guy was screwed because he
>> wouldn't
>> get out of that kill-everything POV.
>>
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