(TFT) Hell Tank vs Ogre

[Rick Smith <rick_ww@lightspeed.ca>]

Hi all,
  Hell Tank and HT Destroyer were far more realistic games than OGRE
and GEV.  In OGRE, we have a move / fire sequence, so an out of range
attacker can scoot up to a hidden and dug in defender and shoot first.

  No tactical game can have a move / fire game sequence and be considered
realistic.  (Altho it does not work bad for strategic level games.)

  The thing that makes OGRE GEV is the cyber tanks.  ONE tank going against
a whole armor division has an instantly recognizable appeal.

  Hell tank felt like a much more regular war game, with higher counter 
densities, much more difficult for the attacker to do things, etc.  It does not have
the easy to pick up fun factor of OGRE.

  I actually respected that Metagaming was trying for a more realistic game to
replace Ogre and GEV. 

  Warm regards, Rick

  
On 2014-08-07, at 1:49 PM, Jeffrey Vandine wrote:

> Helltank and Helltank Destroye
> r were interesting from two different aspects -- the first being that it pr
> ovided a slightly different take on future war from Ogre/GEV, and, in some 
> ways, was more balanced and realistic.  The second being that once again 
> H.T. was doing his best to undermine a Steve Jackson product.  Had Hellta
> nk and HD been better playtested and had a little bit more money spent for 
> improved graphics, they might have even succeeded.  As it was, while they
> were interesting to play, they lacked some of the excitement of Ogre/GEV.
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Peter von Kleinsmid <pvk
> @oz.net>
> To: tft@brainiac.com 
> Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2014 11:06 AM
> 
> Subject: Re: (TFT) Re: Nostalgia
> 
> 
> I tells me that some of them h
> ad different tastes from me. I liked 
> OGRE, and kind of liked Ice War, bu
> t Helltank Destroyer had a little 
> too much of a flavor of what seems to 
> me like enthusiasm for future 
> war with the then Eastern Bloc. Growing up
> during the Cold War, I 
> ended up with an aversion to that fight, as it l
> ooked like a likely 
> way to end all life on Earth. Interesting to the gam
> ing morality 
> discussion, I have little problem playing wargames with or 
> as Nazis 
> and Soviets (as long as it has nothing to do with death camps o
> r 
> executing prisoners).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 06:23 AM 8/7/2014, gem6868 wrot
> e:
>> and what does it tell us about our primitive gaming ancestors??  :)
> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Peter von Kleinsmid Sent: Thursday
> , 
>> August 07, 2014 3:14 AM To: tft@brainiac.com Subject: Re: (TFT) Re: N
> ostalgia
>> I've got a complete Helltank Destroyer, almost usused. Just kee
> ping 
>> it because it's an artifact.
>> 
>> At 09:34 AM 8/6/2014, gem6868 
> wrote:
>>> I think I still have my copy of Helltank I and II in a box 
>>> 
> somewhere. Uber-cheap graphics, but fun game.
> 
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