Re: (TFT) Hell Tank vs Ogre

[Jeffrey Vandine <jlv61560@yahoo.com>]

I agree with this absolutely.  Had the production values been higher, it 
would have done a lot better market-wise.


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 From: Rick Smith <rick_ww@lightspeed.ca>
To: tft@brainiac.com 

Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2014 2:53 PM
Subject: (TFT) Hell Tank vs Ogr
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Hi all,
  Hell Tank and HT Destroyer were far more realistic
 games than OGRE
and GEV.  In OGRE, we have a move / fire sequence, so 
an out of range
attacker can scoot up to a hidden and dug in defender and
 shoot first.

  No tactical game can have a move / fire game sequenc
e and be considered
realistic.  (Altho it does not work bad for strateg
ic level games.)

  The thing that makes OGRE GEV is the cyber tanks.
  ONE tank going against
a whole armor division has an instantly recogn
izable appeal.

  Hell tank felt like a much more regular war game, w
ith higher counter 
densities, much more difficult for the attacker to do
 things, etc.  It does not have
the easy to pick up fun factor of OGRE.


  I actually respected that Metagaming was trying for a more realis
tic game to
replace Ogre and GEV. 

  Warm regards, Rick

  

On 2014-08-07, at 1:49 PM, Jeffrey Vandine wrote:

> Helltank and He
lltank Destroye
> r were interesting from two different aspects -- the fi
rst being that it pr
> ovided a slightly different take on future war fro
m Ogre/GEV, and, in some 
> ways, was more balanced and realistic.  The
 second being that once again 
> H.T. was doing his best to undermine a S
teve Jackson product.  Had Hellta
> nk and HD been better playtested an
d had a little bit more money spent for 
> improved graphics, they might 
have even succeeded.  As it was, while they
> were interesting to play,
 they lacked some of the excitement of Ogre/GEV.
> 
> 
> 
> _______
_________________________
> From: Peter von Kleinsmid <pvk
> @oz.net>

> To: tft@brainiac.com 
> Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2014 11:06 AM
> 

> Subject: Re: (TFT) Re: Nostalgia
> 
> 
> I tells me that some of
 them h
> ad different tastes from me. I liked 
> OGRE, and kind of lik
ed Ice War, bu
> t Helltank Destroyer had a little 
> too much of a fla
vor of what seems to 
> me like enthusiasm for future 
> war with the t
hen Eastern Bloc. Growing up
> during the Cold War, I 
> ended up with 
an aversion to that fight, as it l
> ooked like a likely 
> way to end 
all life on Earth. Interesting to the gam
> ing morality 
> discussion,
 I have little problem playing wargames with or 
> as Nazis 
> and Sovi
ets (as long as it has nothing to do with death camps o
> r 
> executin
g prisoners).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 06:23 AM 8/7/2014, gem6868 wrot

> e:
>> and what does it tell us about our primitive gaming ancestors??
  :)
> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Peter von Kleinsmid
 Sent: Thursday
> , 
>> August 07, 2014 3:14 AM To: tft@brainiac.com Su
bject: Re: (TFT) Re: N
> ostalgia
>> I've got a complete Helltank Destr
oyer, almost usused. Just kee
> ping 
>> it because it's an artifact.

>> 
>> At 09:34 AM 8/6/2014, gem6868 
> wrote:
>>> I think I still
 have my copy of Helltank I and II in a box 
>>> 
> somewhere. Uber-che
ap graphics, but fun game.
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