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Re: [Slope: Ch 11] Yet another idea on how to improve Defending


Take the case of unarmed combat taking the defend option. Will auto miss remain at 16? Presumably yes.

At 5d6 the odds of 16 or higher are around 60% and at 6d6 they are closer to 90%

So while I initially thought this seemed balanced, you might want to consider this case. Maybe in the case of unarmed combat the additional dice for attackers is replaced by an active roll for the martial artist to parry in addition to the reduced odds of the attacker to hit. Or maybe attackers roll 5 dice or 6 dice and takes the worst 4 or something would be easier.


On Wed, May 16, 2018, 19:22 Rick <rick_ww@lightspeed.ca> wrote:
Hi Jeff,
  The defend rules already break this system.  See page, 18 of AM.  
In particular, those rules say that for defending and dodging, a roll of 
4 and 5 are auto hits, and 20+ are automisses, 21 and 22 are dropped 
weapons and 23 and 24 are broken weapons.

This is a change from the default rules since normally a 4 or 5 would be 
a triple damage, 6 or 7 would be a double damage and an 8 would be 
an auto hit.

The whole point of my argument is that given that we ALREADY have 
special rules, why not change them so they make defending better?


On May 16, 2018, at 4:07 PM, Jeffrey Vandine <jlv61560@yahoo.com> wrote:

Why not just use the rules in ITL for numbers of dice greater than 3?  It seems to address this issue fully.

From: Rick <rick_ww@lightspeed.ca>
To: tft@brainiac.com; Matt Fraser <mathesonfraser@gmail.com>; CJ <chrjames@gmail.com>; Alec Morrison <alphaalec@gmail.com>; "The_slope@googlegroups.com" <The_slope@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Slope: Ch 11] Yet another idea on how to improve Defending

Hi Richard, everyone,
  I appreciate the logic of leaving the dropped & broken weapon numbers 
alone.  The reason I wrote that they did NOT change is that if you go by 
the rule, a 17 is a dropped weapon and an 18+ is a broken weapon, the 
the chances of those two results are:

Rolling a 16+ on 4 dice: ……….. 33.56%
Rolling a 17 on 4 dice: …………..  8.02%
Rolling an 18+ of 4 dice: ……….. 15.90%

This would make the chance of a broken weapon MORE likely than a 
dropped weapon.  And it just seems too tough on attackers.

Let us say that the rules is that a 17 exactly is a dropped weapon; a 18 exactly is a broken weapon; and a result of 16+ is an auto miss.  (So a result from 19 to 24 is just an auto miss.)  In this case we get:

Rolling a 17 exactly on 4 dice: ….... 8.02%
Rolling an 18 exactly on 4 dice: ….. 6.17%

I think that this is better, but I still don’t like this because:
— It still seems like there are too many broken and dropped weapons.
— It is weird that rolling worse than an 18 results in a less extreme result.
— It requires remembering a fussy rule not seen elsewhere in TFT.

Warm regards, Rick

On May 16, 2018, at 9:14 AM, rich <sca_rickard@yahoo.com> wrote:

Rick, Re: "Triple damages become impossible, (since you can’t roll a 3 on 4 dice), and the chance of getting a double damage becomes almost impossible."  My copy of the rules do not say double/triple damage is an option against defending targets.  Only that a roll of 4/5 are auto hits.  We have always played it as written that way, and while it is true that you can still be hit while defending, it is less likely that you will be, and you are protected from any huge double/triple scores if you are hit.

I'm not overly against lowering the auto miss number vs defending targets, but I would probably also lower the number on the dropped/broken weapons numbers as well.  It would make some sense (to me at least) that those 2 things would have a greater % chance of happening when attacking a character that is actively defending against an attack.  It would make the defending option more valuable and counter the boredom David mentions.  (Imagine the poor weak character cowering from the big bad guy and choosing defend thinking his life to soon over when suddenly the big bad guy drops his weapon and now is standing there unarmed.  Ah ha...how quickly the tables are turned... quick stab to the throat.  How boring is the defend option now?) 

Just my 0.02usd worth.