Re: (TFT) Man To Man & GURPS - was Re: (TFT) The return of Ogre - Rick did something silly.

[Peter von Kleinsmid <pvk@oz.net>]

At 12:21 AM 8/2/2014, Jeffrey Vandine wrote:
> D&D was out for several years before TFT hit the streets, and was alread
> y big news.  I was a "johnny come lately" member of the early D&D crew, a
> nd I was playing it with my brother and our friends by 1975.  Melee wasn'
> t published until 1977 and Wizard in 1978.  TFT didn't make it out Metaga
> ming's door until 1980, and by then D&D had long been one of those "mega-tr
> ends" that used to happen back then (and probably still do -- I just don't
> pay much attention to them anymore).  The bottom line here is that Steve
> said the reason he CREATED Melee was because he didn't like the way combat
> was handled in D&D -- which certainly tells us which came first.

Thanks for this correction. I only discovered interesting games about 1978,
and people I knew only found D&D in 1980, hence my perception.


> ... Not sure where you get the idea that
> the Hero games were the progenitors for TFT, though -- they were mostly pub
> lished after TFT was out ("Champions," the earliest one I remember, was pub
> lished in 1981), and quite a while after Melee was.  Besides, again, I re
> fer you to Steve's Designer's Notes in which he tells you EXACTLY where he
> was coming from.

Thanks. You had said GURPS, so I was talking about GURPS, not TFT, when I
wrote about the Hero Games influence.

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